JONES Religious Studies Prof Takes on Ryan Mackey and Mark Roberts... Poorly

whether it be the average fireman, a chief of the FDNY, or someone in between, the insinuation from the truthers is that some people within the FDNY were complicit in the alleged bringing down of WTC7. Without proof that either (A) WTC7 came down from CD, or (B) that ANYONE within the organization of the FDNY had knowledge of an ok'ed CD, but kept hush hush, is disgusting to say the least.

TAM:)
 
And of course, firefighters were walking around that day saying:

FF1: "Did you hear? They say wtc7 is coming down"
FF2: "No? Really?"
FF1: "Yeah"
FF2: "Why?"
FF1: "Dunno. Looks fine to me."
FF2: "Yeah, me too. Prolly could put out that little fire too"
FF1: "Nah, no point. It's steel framed"
FF2: "Ahhhhhh. So why's it coming down again?"
FF1: "Dunno."
FF2: "Oh well...."
FF1: "Yeah....."
 
CHF said:
So I guess the author is only implicating seven FDNY along with their superiors (namely Chief of operations Daniel Nigro) as having forknowledge of WTC7's demolition.

I love watching twoofers struggle to explain this FDNY knowledge without including the FDNY in the conspiracy. Alex Jones sure as hell couldn't do it!
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MacQueen's thesis in his "118" paper is that all the first responders who used the words "like an explosion" or similar were describing what they believed to be explosive devices, and that since then they have been persuaded by some unknown entity to accept the "official story" that it wasn't explosives that killed their brothers, which is why all 118 of them have kept quiet.

MacQueen is right up there in the running for douchebag moron of 2007.
 
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RedIbis said:
I went through something similar with Gravy before. The oral histories are presented by Mackey and Gravy to suggest that all FDNY on the scene had determined the bldg would collapse, when after reading through the histories, and as this paper points out, most of the accounts recall being told that the bldg would come down.

I think MacQueen should add in his paper that word came down from the OEM.
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I would agree that it is at least marginally important to note that some of the firefighters believed 'on their own' that the building would collapse, while others were simply told. Not nearly as important though as the fact that all of the one's who were told agree with the assessment. And also not nearly as important as the fact that not a single 9/11 GZ firefighter disagrees with the fact that 7 collapsed from debris and fire damage. Not a single one, those closest to the collapse, believes CD was involved.
 
I see RedIbis is still lying. I wonder if he'll ever stop doing that.
 
I wonder why MacQueen, RedIbis, Alex Jones, Jason Bermas, and the other disturbed people who accuse the FDNY haven't contacted firefighter Miller to tell him why he's wrong?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2873871255585611926#23m00s

And I wonder why they haven't contacted these people to tell them they really should care more about what killed their family members:

[FONT=arial,sans-serif]– The Higgins family: Retired FDNY Captain Ed, FDNY firefighter brothers Joe, Mike, and Bob, and NYPD Sergeant Mike, whose son and brother Timothy died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– Lee Ielpi, one of the most decorated firefighters in FDNY history and his son, firefighter Brendan, whose son and brother Jonathan died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– Captain John Vigiano, whose firefighter sons John and Joseph died on 9/11. [/FONT]
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– Jimmy Boyle, retired FDNY union president, whose firefighter son Michael died on 9/11. [/FONT]
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– Chief Jim Riches, whose son James died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– Chief Eddie Schoales, whose son Thomas died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– Captain Bill Butler, whose son Jonathan died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– Battalion Chief Joe Pfeifer, whose brother Kevin died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– Lieutentant Tommy Brunton, whose brother Vincent died on 9/11.
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– Lieutenant Dennis O'Berg, whose son Dennis died on 9/11.
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– Lieutenant Paul Geidel, whose son Gary died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– Fire Patrolman Mike Angelini, whose firefighter brother Joseph and nephew Joseph Jr died on 9/11. [/FONT]
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– The Harrell family, whose firefighter brothers Stephen and Harvey died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– The Haskell family, whose firefighter brothers Thomas and Timothy died on 9/11.[/FONT]
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– The Langone family, whose firefighter brothers Peter and Thomas died on 9/11.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
 
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I wonder when RedIbis will give us details about this shocking new revelation that warnings of WTC 7's imminent collapse came "down from OEM" and not from Chief Nigro after he consulted with many people who had inspected the building.

This is BIG news. I'm shocked that I've never heard it before. Can't wait for the details.
 
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Gravy said:
I see RedIbis is still lying. I wonder if he'll ever stop doing that.
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Really? Surely there must be a feature which will ignore even quotes of those you have put on ignore.

How about being specific about my so called lies. Or you might address the valid charge that many if not most of the firefighter accounts you list in your paper suggest that "they" said WTC 7 was going to collapse, as opposed to what you appear to be suggesting, that most knew or believed it would collapse.
 
Gravy said:
I wonder when RedIbis will give us details about this shocking new revelation that warnings of WTC 7's imminent collapse came "down from OEM" and not from Chief Nigro after he consulted with many people who had inspected the building.

This is BIG news. I'm shocked that I've never heard it before. Can't wait for the details.
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If you haven't heard about it before, you must not be reading the quotes from your own paper.

If nothing else, some of your research can be quite helpful in refuting your rather subjective interpretation of eyewitness accounts.
 
T.A.M. said:
So are you accusing someone within the OEM of being complicit? Who?

TAM:)
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I'm referring to a FDNY member's quote on the WTC 7 collapse. Please drop the strawman tactic of suggesting that I'm personally accusing anyone of anything.
 
ok, I'll drop that, and just ask you.

Red, do you believe WTC was intentionally brought down in a CD?

If yes, then

Red, do you believe ANY elements within the FDNY or the OEM were involved in this intentional demolition?

TAM:)
 
RedIbis said:
I'm referring to a FDNY member's quote on the WTC 7 collapse. Please drop the strawman tactic of suggesting that I'm personally accusing anyone of anything.
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And this is where you actually look for, quote and cite the eveidence to support your claim. Go for it! Or you can complain about "strawmen." Whatever.

/still waiting for an explanation how the damage on the WTC7 was not consistent with the fuel lines except where it was consistent. I'm patient that way.
 
RedIbis said:
I went through something similar with Gravy before. The oral histories are presented by Mackey and Gravy to suggest that all FDNY on the scene had determined the bldg would collapse, when after reading through the histories, and as this paper points out, most of the accounts recall being told that the bldg would come down.

I think MacQueen should add in his paper that word came down from the OEM.
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(emphasis added)

Why can't it be that they're suggesting that some in a position to know determined the bldg would collapse? Could it be that?
 
RedIbis said:
If you haven't heard about it before, you must not be reading the quotes from your own paper.

If nothing else, some of your research can be quite helpful in refuting your rather subjective interpretation of eyewitness accounts.
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(emphasis added)

Go for it.
 
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T.A.M. said:
ok, I'll drop that, and just ask you.
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Thank you.

Red, do you believe WTC was intentionally brought down in a CD?
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I'm a bit surprised that you would resort to such obvious derailment. This thread is about a paper refuting Gravy and Mackey's specious conclusions that the FDNY knew WTC 7 would collapse.

If yes, then

Red, do you believe ANY elements within the FDNY or the OEM were involved in this intentional demolition?

TAM:)
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I know this tactic drives you guys crazy, but my purpose here is to remind Gravy, as well as his devoted loyalists, that my reference to a FDNY member's quote that the word had come down from the OEM is in Gravy's paper.

Therefore, this is another exercise in research. Go through Gravy's paper like I did. Notice first how many of the accouhts use the pronoun "they" to refer to who sent "the word" down. Now, check for which member heard it from the OEM. Somehow this slipped by Gravy, but I have confidence in him. I"m sure he's found it by now, and will post it himself.
 
RedIbis said:
I'm referring to a FDNY member's quote on the WTC 7 collapse. Please drop the strawman tactic of suggesting that I'm personally accusing anyone of anything.
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If you think there's anything at all suspicious about the fact that FDNY knew it was coming down, you are implicitly accusing them of being in on it. I don't see any other way around it.
 
So was the OEM in cahoots with Gen Myers? Red I., you are following the same approach as in the thread in which you accused Gen Myers of (at least) criminal negligence.

It wasn't Red I., but someone else who accused the elevator companies as being involved in the "demolition" of the towers. I'm sorry to say that is perhaps my fave non-sequitur of the whole business.

ETA: a little more on the Myers thing: remember how you flirted, asking all who you were thinking of? You coy rascal! Is it time for another such adventure?
 
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