Okay, I'm about ready to declare victory...

Docker said:
From wikipedia:
Robert David Steele Vivas (b. July 16, 1952 New York City), is a former Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer for twenty years and was the second-ranking civilian (GS-14) in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence from 1988-1992. Steele is a former clandestine services case officer Central Intelligence Agency.[1] He is the founder and CEO of OSS.Net, Inc. as well as the Golden Candle Society.[2] Steele also was a member of the Adjunct Faculty of Marine Corps University in the mid-1990's.
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From Strategic Strategy Research Military site:
ROBERT D. STEELE is a retired Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer. He is the founder and president of Open Source Solutions, Inc., and is an acknowledged expert on computer and information vulnerabilities. Mr. Steele holds graduate degrees in International Relations and Public Administration from Leigh University and the University of Oklahoma. He has also earned certificates in Intelligence Policy from Harvard University and in Defense Studies from the Naval War College.
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From Steele's Amazon review:
It is with great sadness that I conclude that this book is the strongest of the 770+ books I have reviewed here at Amazon, almost all non-fiction. I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war (see my review of Jim Bamford's "Pretext for War"), and I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative neo-Nazi coup d'etat and kick-off of the clash of civilizations (see my review of "Crossing the Rubicon" as well as "State of Denial"). Most fascinatingly, the author links Samuel Huntington, author of "Clash of Civilizations" with Leo Strauss, the connecting rod between Nazi fascists and the neo-cons.
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Thank you for providing sources for this issue. I will look into this further.
 
R.Mackey said:
Ever hear of common courtesy?

I am formally inviting you out of my thread, since you only seem to wish trouble. Please do me the honor of understanding that. As you have no doubt noticed, this is an open forum, and you may continue your tangential discussions in other threads. Be a pal, and do so now, please.
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I would love to see one example of you or anybody else here being courteous to me.
 
These are excellent of examples of what I was talking about, by the way. The conversation isn't about 9/11. It's about Docker and who's being mean to Docker and who has defeated who in the flame war. It's an argument about an argument and the arguers.
 
DavidJames said:
Thank you for providing sources for this issue. I will look into this further.
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Anyone going to start a thread about this, it looks interesting

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The author draws on historical examples of US fabrication of threats (e.g. the bombing of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor) and many others (Jim Bamford publicized Operation Northwoods). It is an undeniable fact that the U.S. Government has been willing to kill its own citizens and fabricate attacks as part of moving the public.
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The author is compelling in his review of the conflicts of interest for each of the 9/11 Commissioners and key staff; he is conclusive in his damnation of their performance and their refusal to be tough with NORAD, the FAA, and many other Executive organizations that refused to cooperate; and he is conclusive on his suggestion that all actual evidence points to the Pentagon being hit by a missile rather than an airplane.
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It looks like he has drawn his conclusion from a book that promotes the idea that the Pentagon was hit by a missile and not a plane :boggled:
 
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There's been much hoopla about Tarpley as of late. I'm going to order the book and have a look at it myself.
 
I've noticed that most of the CTers feel it is our job to prove all other theories and possibilities (no matter how outrageous) wrong before they will accept the theory based that is generally accepted by the scientific community.
 
Mackey said: "But before retiring the field, I will seek to re-engage, if there are any worthy opponents to be found. Please help me find them by considering the questions below"

So I found an opponent for him, one he had never heard of.

He totally bottled out of a debate with him.

Enough said.
 
CptColumbo said:
I've noticed that most of the CTers feel it is our job to prove all other theories and possibilities (no matter how outrageous) wrong before they will accept the theory based that is generally accepted by the scientific community.
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You mean like... prove there are no Invisible Pink Unicorns orbiting Pluto?
 
Docker said:
There is a cover up, the fact that Rice claimed they never imagined planes flying into buildings is a complete lie. They lied about the August 8th briefing.
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When we heard about the first plane crashing into the north tower, most of us thought it might be an accident. NSA Rice should have known better. The buildings should have been immediately evacuated. No one should have died in the south tower. She is secretary of state today.
 
Docker said:
So I found an opponent for him, one he had never heard of.

He totally bottled out of a debate with him.

Enough said.
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You set up a debate between Webster Tarpley and R.Mackey? How did I miss that news? When was it to be? How do you know Tarpley?
 
Gravy said:
You set up a debate between Webster Tarpley and R.Mackey? How did I miss that news? When was it to be? How do you know Tarpley?
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I did not set it up. I revealed Tarpley's existence to a very uninformed Mackey.

I then suggested Mackey could sate his desire for CT opponents by contacting Tarpley. Mackey then did a 180 degree turn, quicker than hani hanjour on flight 77, andclaimed it wasn't his job to debate CTs!

Amazing
 
LashL said:
.Their failure to say much of anything at all for the past five years since the events leads me to believe that they have their own reasons for being quiet about it. .
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I think they have been talking. But, because the Dems have been irrelevant for five and a half years, people just haven't been listening. Clinton went batguano loony at several public forums when someone insinuated that his administration was too distracted to properly deal with the threat or that they let OBL "slip through their fingers." And, since everybody in Congress except one lady was NOT part of the White House during Clinton's presidency, I can't see why they would be personally afraid to rehash the Clinton response.

That one lady, by the way, has more reason than anyone to rehabilitate Clinton's reputation. Especially because they have a child together.
 
Docker said:
I did not set it up. I revealed Tarpley's existence to a very uninformed Mackey.

I then suggested Mackey could sate his desire for CT opponents by contacting Tarpley. Mackey then did a 180 degree turn, quicker than hani hanjour on flight 77, andclaimed it wasn't his job to debate CTs!

Amazing
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No, you "challenged" him to debate the guy. BFD. You don't even know the guy.

I challenge you to debate Bush on 9/11.

Oh, you REFUSE to do so? You won't contact him and set it up!

There you go.

BTW, in what Country do you reside that emphasizes such bizarre and illogical thinking skills?
 
Calcas said:
No, you "challenged" him to debate the guy. BFD. You don't even know the guy.

I challenge you to debate Bush on 9/11.

Oh, you REFUSE to do so? You won't contact him and set it up!

There you go.

BTW, in what Country do you reside that emphasizes such bizarre and illogical thinking skills?
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Could you let me answer before you answer for me? I'd happily debate Bush, theres just no way he would agree to it. If you know a way to set it up i'll do it.
 
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