An open message to Killtown from an Old Friend of the Forum

[Hutch]

Killtown:

I was asked to post this here by the person whose signature appears on the bottom of the message. If anyone has doubts on that score, I will post the salutation from the message in this thread.

I open a new thread because the topic addressed (Pentagon) is not really part of the other threads and I do not wish to cause a derail to those discussions, so I determined to open a new one.

More of my comments to follow, but here is the message:

Killtown,
I am certainly aware of people like yourself who believe that those of us who suffered on 9/11 must be part of some giant plot, either as dupes or plotters. I was in the Pentagon when the plane hit, I held parts of that aircraft in my hands, covered with fuel and oil, and I helped with the triage area. I helped a guy with a headwound, aided ambulances coming in, and suffer to this day with ongoing nightmares on a very regular basis. When one has seen what I saw, and had to do what I had to do, the images, the smells, the sounds, resonate in your mind forever.

I do not object to your desire to dispute the facts of that day. While I feel you are hopelessly naive and silly, that is your right. But please know that your page on the Pentagon crash is deeply offensive to the survivors such as myself. Again, it's not that you argue. But your tone is one of mocking, of making light of the greatest suffering I ever saw in my 25 years of military service. Your fake "quotes," your quips, all mock the pain of those of us that were there, and served that day. I am very likely one of the people in some of your photographs, and I assure you our thoughts were not about the grass (a silly claim you make, by the way), but were deeply, intensely worried about the people hurt, the people left inside. I will never forget that day, and while I can forgive your foolishness in not understanding the facts, the science, the reality of that day, I find it much harder to forgive your willingness to laugh at those who were so terribly hurt that day. Such an attitude shows you to be a cruel and heartless person, in addition to silly one.

LT Col Hal Bidlack
USAF Retired

Hutch again. For the many new people who have joined the JREF Forums, Hal Bidlack is a good and great friend of Mr. Randi and a staunch supporter of both the United States and skeptical thought. He has, for reasons in the past, decided not to post directly on the JREF Forums, a decision I respect but wish he would change, as you can see he has both intelligence, style, and something worth saying.

I will say this: I have learned three things in my years posting around the web:

1. If you are arguing against Jay Utah in regards to the Moon Hoax, save yourself energy and surrender immediately.

2. Never try to match Limericks with Mercutio.

3. If Hal Bidlack is on your side, don't worry about your 180...you're covered.

Killtown, I doubt you will respect this post or this poster anymore than others here; but I would suggest that you read it very, very carefully. and maybe, just maybe, learn.

Press on.

 

[chipmunk stew]

And they wonder why we bother...

Hal, everytime your name is mentioned here, I sense admiration and warmth. I gather that your impact is wide and deep. Thanks for your words.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

if anyone is wondering this is the page to which Lt Col Bidlack is referring

http://www.geocities.com/pentalawn2000/

 

[bob_kark]

That was nice of Hal to share his personal experience from that day. Unfortunately, its easy to get caught up in the debate and forget about the victims.

 

[Cleon]

Unfortunately, its easy to get caught up in the debate and forget about the victims.

How true that is...For many issues.

 

[Gravy]

Thanks Hal, and thanks Hutch.

 

[Dog Town]

I do not object to your desire to dispute the facts of that day. While I feel you are hopelessly naive and silly, that is your right.

He left out disgusting! Otherwise,that says it all for me! Thanks Hal, I salute you!

DT

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

As a citizen of one of America's closest allies, I respect and appreciate Lt Col Bidlack for his service. And he has my deepest sympathies for his fallen brothers and sisters in arms.

 

[negativ]

I shall now present the CT "rebuttal".

Yes, it's true, you are the unwitting victim of the vast neo-con conspiracy to take away the freedom of Americans to wander around the streets of California revealing The Truth<tm> to all those who have eyes to see.

When we finally REVEAL THE TRUTH, it won't be pretty for you.

 

[gtc]

Negativ,

You should probably put a not work safe on that link to Zombie's Hall of Shame.


From Killtown's site:

Of course, with an amazing new lawn like this that is sure to take the world by storm, we had to cover it up so our secret wouldn't get out.

Killtown must never have seen a construction site if he thinks this gravel is evidence of a cover up.

The rail yard across the road from me laid down a layer of gravel, right before they brought in the bulldozers. What devious felonies are they covering up and is it a coincedence that they are using the same brand of machinery that the zionists used to flatten Rachel Corrie?

 

[R.Mackey]

To Lt. Col. Bidlack, thank you for your service. In addition to having to suffer through the full horror of that day, I have a feeling that your actions helped save lives, and for that I am deeply indebted.

Your words are also eloquent and respectful, much more so than your adversaries deserve, perhaps. By these works I know you to be a gentleman.

To the 9/11 Deniers, and you know who you are, questioning and learning is healthy in all things. Please follow your questioning nature -- but be honest, to yourself, to others, and to the truth, and be respectful. Follow this wise man's example.

 

[CurtC]

I shall now present the CT "rebuttal".

I think the CTs usually spell it "rebuttle." Seriously.

Yes, it's true, you are the unwitting victim of the vast neo-con conspiracy to take away the freedom of Americans to wander around the streets of California revealing The Truth<tm> to all those who have eyes to see.

"Scrotal inflation"? I feel so... sheltered.

The crowd seemed to be pretty anti-semitic, all the while equating their opponents with nazis. I didn't understand that.

 

[Hamradioguy]

Thank you Col. Bidlack. Very well said indeed. A drink of your choice is on me during the cruise.

(Former) Capt. Taylor USAF

 

[gumboot]

Given the nature of killtown's website, Lt Col Bidlack has been incredibly polite and respectful in expressing his disappointment.

I'm impressed yet again by the calibre of people who have served, and continue to serve, in the US armed forces.

-Andrew

 

[kookbreaker]

Negativ,
Killtown must never have seen a construction site if he thinks this gravel is evidence of a cover up.

Remember that this is the same Killtown that thinks you can't light the Barbeque if the power is out.

 

[juryjone]

First of all, let me also thank Hal for his thoughts on that terrible day. You, as always, show yourself to be a credit to the human race.

Illustrating the other side of the coin, we have Killtown. I was wondering why he has made no response to this thread. As it turns out, he has, but in another thread so he doesn't have to show his face here:

Originally Posted by Hutch

BTW, Killtown, you don't have any kind words for Hal in the thread I started...

Yes, he's confused and misguided to what my site it all about and what my thoughts are. I'm an easy target and he's capitalizing on it either intentionally, or unintentionally.

Btw, why didn't he CC me on it? My email is well known.

I am disgusted by this totally reprehensible excuse for a person.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Yes, it's true, you are the unwitting victim of the vast neo-con conspiracy to take away the freedom of Americans to wander around the streets of California revealing The Truth<tm> to all those who have eyes to see.

I'm glad you posted a webpage that helps confirm my theory that all anti-war people are total wackjobs.

 

[senorpogo]

Remember that this is the same Killtown that thinks you can't light the Barbeque if the power is out.

huh?

 

[kookbreaker]

huh?

From his blog:

...put on a barbecue for the rescue crews as if she was anticipating the events. How was she able to cook for the crews with her electricity knocked out?

He said it, I didn't.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I'm glad you posted a webpage that helps confirm my theory that all anti-war people are total wackjobs.

Just as you said elsewhere that there are people who oppose the existence of the State of Israel yet are not anti-semites, I'm certain there are honest anti-war people who are not clinically insane.