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Trump's Second Term

Andy_Ross said:
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Ziggurat said:
No, that's not required. But if you suddenly raise your voice whenever Trump gets involved, I'm going to suspect that you didn't care before.
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Well, pardon me for considering that (violation of forum etiquette). I say what I feel like saying and what I believe I have something to say about. As an American voter with a concern for the effect national politics have on local life and on the future of my family, many of them foreign born,, a few not traditional in other ways, of course if I feel like stating my opinions they are likely to involve policies which, as a voter and a citizen, are within my province.

So yeah, I raise my voice whenever Trump is involved because I actually believe Trump is a blot on our country's history, of whom we as a nation should be ashamed. I truly. believe he is the agent of destruction of the nation my ancestors fought to found and died to preserve. And sure, as a participating inheritor of the society he strives so hard to degrade, I can be accused of caring more, or at least having more involvement, here than about the awful things, the sins and corruptions and the fanatical excesses that occur far away and about which my voice is unheard anyway. To care more about one thing is not to care nothing about others. To say something matters is not to say other things don't.

My voice is weak and likely of little effect, but it makes more sense to me to use it against people like you than Kim Jong Un or unknown caliphs in Africa, no matter how despicable they are.

TLDR, **** ***
 
bruto said:
So yeah, I raise my voice whenever Trump is involved because I actually believe Trump is a blot on our country's history,
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In other words, you don't actually know anything about this strike, you don't actually know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, you're just assuming it's bad because it's Trump.
bruto said:
TLDR, **** ***
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That's a compelling argument right there.
 
smartcooky said:
That said, I really wonder if all the pearl-clutching, couch-fainting and performative pretzel twisting going on in this thread would be happening if it was a democratic president who had ordered the strikes.
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It wouldn't. Obama ordered plenty of strikes. Most people didn't get their panties in a twist every time he did.
 
bruto said:
Well, pardon me for considering that (violation of forum etiquette). I say what I feel like saying and what I believe I have something to say about. As an American voter with a concern for the effect national politics have on local life and on the future of my family, many of them foreign born,, a few not traditional in other ways, of course if I feel like stating my opinions they are likely to involve policies which, as a voter and a citizen, are within my province.

So yeah, I raise my voice whenever Trump is involved because I actually believe Trump is a blot on our country's history, of whom we as a nation should be ashamed. I truly. believe he is the agent of destruction of the nation my ancestors fought to found and died to preserve. And sure, as a participating inheritor of the society he strives so hard to degrade, I can be accused of caring more, or at least having more involvement, here than about the awful things, the sins and corruptions and the fanatical excesses that occur far away and about which my voice is unheard anyway. To care more about one thing is not to care nothing about others. To say something matters is not to say other things don't.

My voice is weak and likely of little effect, but it makes more sense to me to use it against people like you than Kim Jong Un or unknown caliphs in Africa, no matter how despicable they are.

TLDR, **** ***
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Yeah, it's the old cartoon where one guy says "Yes, saving dogs is important to me!", to which the other replies "Oh, so you hate cats."
I also saw a version that added "You also didn't mention rabbits, guinea pigs, hedgehogs, or pet fish. Educate yourself!"

I post what I post and I care about what I care about. I also have no interest in dancing a stupid dance to enable bad-faith deflections from people who obviously have no arguments and in all probability know they are morally bankrupt.
 
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smartcooky said:
I have no love for The Fat Orange Turd. I regard him as the Rapist in Chief, and the Mob-Boss in Chief. He is more corrupt that the Marcos family, he's an authoritarian, wannabe king/dictator, an anti-democracy clown, a racist and a general, all-round crook. I am sure he will have used the "services" provided by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell during the time when the public didn't really know who they were and what they were up to (IMO his "hardly knew him" routine is a transparent sham - the photographic record doesn't lie).

That said, I really wonder if all the pearl-clutching, couch-fainting and performative pretzel twisting going on in this thread would be happening if it was a democratic president who had ordered the strikes.
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In this case I suspect that is a difficult position, sort of like saying that your annoyance at having birds pooping on your laundry is suspect unless you can somehow prove you would feel the same if they were pigs.
 
Phang: If that happened in January, how in the actual hell is Blanche now telling the American people that they suddenly discovered a million more documents?

Pardon my French, but GTFOH. We didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday. As far back as January, the entirety of the Epstein files were transferred to Main Justice at DOJ under the supervision, guidance, and leadership of Pamela Jo Bondi

https://twitter.com/x/status/2004678057970598076
 
All of this "but, but, Obama" or "whatabout, whatabout a Dem" is all nonsense anyway. It requires us to, again, treat Trump as if everything he does is in a vacuum. Obama didn't lie about anything and everything all of the time. Obama didn't hide stats that showed him in a poor light. Obama didn't spend his entire presidency ◊◊◊◊ posting on social media just to "trigger the libs". He was, more or less, an honest man and when he did things the general population felt he did them for the right reasons.

Trump is an ignorant ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ jack ass and everyone knows it. So when certain posters bleat out "what about Obama" then we're left saying, "What about him?" Obama isn't Trump. He never will be and if the two ran against each other Trump would get his absolute ◊◊◊◊ stomped in and it wouldn't be close. If someone from the left did it I would wait for an explanation as to why, and I would weigh in outside facts, like has that administration been bombing the ◊◊◊◊ out of boats to the point it borders on international war crimes? No? Then I'll wait to see how it all shakes out, but Trump doesn't get that leeway. Cause he's a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ dumb sack of dicks.
 
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