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Wow, UK has lost freedom of speech

Lukraak_Sisser said:
The same in the Netherlands.

The threat to democracy, freedom of expression and the rights of anyone other than straight white male, does not come from Islam.
There are too few, and they are politically far to fragmented to have any meaningful influence.

But the parties that aim to 'protect' from the 'hordes of immigrants coming to *insert bad thing here*' all have stated intentions to restrict freedoms for anyone they do not like. And the religious parties that seek to remove the right to things like Abortion, Euthanasia, LGBTQI+ rights and even the right of women to vote are not Islamic either. I want you to guess what religion they follow.
Now I'm sure there are some rabid Islamic fundamentalists that agree with them apart for the specific religion, but I'll worry about the threats that can actually negatively influence our freedoms here first.
Parties which by the way are heavily funded by both Russia and certain US 'think tanks'.
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It's exactly the same here in Sweden.

Many of the muslims here are very protective of our rights and our democracy (moreso than many Swedes who take both for granted), since they know what it is like in countries that have neither, and a very large swathe of our muslim population are decidedly secular.

The islamic fundamentalists and the far right have many of their values in common, on the other hand.
 
Darat said:
From our popular right-wing parties:

Reform: https://parliamentnews.co.uk/nigel-farage-faces-backlash-over-echr-exit-plans

Conservatives: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...it-was-a-bad-idea_uk_68e0a2d7e4b0dbcd325f8359
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Please point out the part that states that both parties are campaigning to remove the right to burn a religious text.
If you think leaving the ECHR would automatically do that you're living in fantasyland. We in NZ are not a signatory to the ECHR, but you can burn/destroy religious texts here with impunity.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
The same in the Netherlands.

The threat to democracy, freedom of expression and the rights of anyone other than straight white male, does not come from Islam.
There are too few, and they are politically far to fragmented to have any meaningful influence.

But the parties that aim to 'protect' from the 'hordes of immigrants coming to *insert bad thing here*' all have stated intentions to restrict freedoms for anyone they do not like. And the religious parties that seek to remove the right to things like Abortion, Euthanasia, LGBTQI+ rights and even the right of women to vote are not Islamic either. I want you to guess what religion they follow.
Now I'm sure there are some rabid Islamic fundamentalists that agree with them apart for the specific religion, but I'll worry about the threats that can actually negatively influence our freedoms here first.
Parties which by the way are heavily funded by both Russia and certain US 'think tanks'.
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Helen said:
It's exactly the same here in Sweden.

Many of the muslims here are very protective of our rights and our democracy (moreso than many Swedes who take both for granted), since they know what it is like in countries that have neither, and a very large swathe of our muslim population are decidedly secular.

The islamic fundamentalists and the far right have many of their values in common, on the other hand.
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Its not so much Islam. The threat comes from Islamists.


"Islamophobia is a made up word. Its made up by a political movement that wants to exploit and capitalize on White Guilt to achieve its end goal, which is the revival of the Caliphate, and the revival of the Caliphate is to convert all of us into Islam whether we we like it or not."​

The consequence of refusal to convert is execution, probably by beheading.
 
smartcooky said:
Its not so much Islam. The threat comes from Islamists.


"Islamophobia is a made up word. Its made up by a political movement that wants to exploit and capitalize on White Guilt to achieve its end goal, which is the revival of the Caliphate, and the revival of the Caliphate is to convert all of us into Islam whether we we like it or not."​

The consequence of refusal to convert is execution, probably by beheading.
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Again, I do not deny that such people exist, but in my country at least their ability to create their wished state is as near to zero as is possible.

Meanwhile our anti democratic PVV leader who seeks to create a crypto fascist state with him as undisputed leader gets 30% of the vote. I know you fully bought the propaganda that there are whole areas in the EU that are no-go due to Muslims, but that's just not true.
 
smartcooky said:
Arth's argument here is stunningly stupid. He's effectively arguing to not poke the bear... do not insult their religion because they are likely to react violently - in effect, if you insult Islam, you have it coming to you (like a woman in a violent relationship shouldn't provoke her basher).
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Utter bollocks. Show me where I have told you or anyone else to do or not to do anything.
 
Helen said:
It's exactly the same here in Sweden.

Many of the muslims here are very protective of our rights and our democracy (moreso than many Swedes who take both for granted), since they know what it is like in countries that have neither, and a very large swathe of our muslim population are decidedly secular.
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My, goodness. Do you think they'd act the same once they're in the plurality or majority? Mohammed was all about peace and understanding when his followers were few. Later, it was submit or die.
 
Helen said:
Yes, I do, since I am not paranoid. Besides, the greatest threat here is from far right activists.
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No. The greatest threat has always been, and still is, from people who have nothing to lose and are not afraid to die for their cause. You don't see any far-right activists committing suicide attacks such as running car-bombs into embassies, blowing themselves up on school buses full of children or flying airliners full of passengers into high-rise buildings.
 
arthwollipot said:
Burning a Quran is certainly a provocation. You don't do it without foreknowledge that some people will respond with violence if they can.
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Yes, but this is the hecklers veto. If I say, "If you do a land acknowledgement, I'm gonna punch you." and then you do a land acknowledgment, you shouldn't be prosecuted for being provocative. I should be prosecuted for violence and actual bodily harm.
 
angrysoba said:
Yes, but this is the hecklers veto. If I say, "If you do a land acknowledgement, I'm gonna punch you." and then you do a land acknowledgment, you shouldn't be prosecuted for being provocative. I should be prosecuted for violence and actual bodily harm.
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In the judgement they specifically address the heckler's veto, saying that courts should ensure they do not in effect apply the heckler's veto because of a violent reaction from someone else. That someone becomes angry because of what someone else has the freedom of expression to say does not mean a breach the peace has occured.
 
Several posts moved to AAH. This thread is discussing freedom of speech, not refugees or other matters.
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Carrot Flower King said:
So, what are they going to do with those of us who have no social media accounts (taking social media to mean Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and the like)?

Or will that just make us look suspicious?
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I except we will be considered the worst of the worst; it's quite obviously a desoerate attempt at trying to hide our anti-social and insubordinate tendencies.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Trump to make all foreign tourists provide five years of social media history before entering US

www.lbc.co.uk

Trump to make all foreign tourists provide five years of social media history before entering US | LBC

The proposed social-media requirement would apply to all visitors, regardless of whether or not they need a visa.
www.lbc.co.uk www.lbc.co.uk
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Shame on the UK for having such a blatant attack on freedom of speech, good thing the country of freedom would never do that... oh wait..
 
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