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Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

dudalb said:
I don't think you can have lower opinion of Musk then I do.
His now openly rooting for Putin just does the impossible: Made my opinion of musk even lower.
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Did you accidentally quote me while replying to someone else?
 
Babbylonian said:
You do understand that nobody is arguing against Musk having the right to do what he likes with his property, right? We're discussing the rank hypocrisy of his claim to be all about unfettered free speech while his actions frequently give lie to that claim.

It's possible you need to do some homework, reading through this thread and its prequel.
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And, more immediately, the question that was asked was whether Musk's changes to what is now X has made things better or worse for Free Speech in the west. It's been unanimously negative responses, though Samson clearly does want to try to argue that unbanning certain people means that it's not worse for Free Speech in every way, at the least.

Whether dudalb will actually read this summation is uncertain, of course.
 
dudalb said:
TeiX is not the government. What don't you understand about that?
I despise Twist for doing that, but think trying to use the power of the state to force them to put the jounalist back on is a case of the cure being worse then the disease.
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I don’t think YOU understand the point. Samson is trying to argue that Musk’s takeover of Twitter has brought back free speech. So it is Samson’s claim that fails to understand free speech and it is HIS premise you are denying, not catsmate’s.

If we can all accept that, then we can move on to the weak form of free speech argument that Samson is presumably trying to make which is whether or not Musk is more permissive with what people can say than before.

On those grounds people are pointing out that on the one hand, people like Alex Jones are free to spread their ********, while people on the other side are arguing that some journalists who upset Musk will get kicked off and also Musk will capitulate to certain demands by, say, the Indian and Turkish governments to disallow content that opposes them.
 
angrysoba said:
I don’t think YOU understand the point. Samson is trying to argue that Musk’s takeover of Twitter has brought back free speech. So it is Samson’s claim that fails to understand free speech and it is HIS premise you are denying, not catsmate’s.

If we can all accept that, then we can move on to the weak form of free speech argument that Samson is presumably trying to make which is whether or not Musk is more permissive with what people can say than before.

On those grounds people are pointing out that on the one hand, people like Alex Jones are free to spread their ********, while people on the other side are arguing that some journalists who upset Musk will get kicked off and also Musk will capitulate to certain demands by, say, the Indian and Turkish governments to disallow content that opposes them.
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Here is the issue for me.
I have a friend who went down the Alex Jones rabbit hole, but I maintain the friendship with no effort. Sandyhook and so on.
On the other hand I consider the replatforming of Graham Linehan as paramount to my understanding of the universe.
 
The true tragedy of this is that the glorified dopamine machine that is Twitter is considered a battleground for free speech. READ A BOOK PEOPLE!

And get off my lawn.
 
jeremyp said:
https://x.com/mtaibbi/status/1758230628355485979?s=20

Matt Taibbi has published a conversation he had with Elon Musk on Twitter. Musk is censoring him because he uses Substack.

Yay free speech.
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Lol! Poor old Taibbi. I actually find it funny when people like him and Bret Weinstein suck up so hard to Musk only for him to drop a big load on them. Musk, like Trump, and as we have seen with Tucker Carlson, like Putin, seem to enjoy ritual humiliation.
 
dudalb said:
TeiX is not the government. What don't you understand about that?
I despise Twist for doing that, but think trying to use the power of the state to force them to put the jounalist back on is a case of the cure being worse then the disease.
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:rolleyes:
Sigh. You appear to be, as usual, spewing pseudo-libertarian straw everywhere.
In addition to attributing to me thing I haven't said.
 
angrysoba said:
Lol! Poor old Taibbi. I actually find it funny when people like him and Bret Weinstein suck up so hard to Musk only for him to drop a big load on them. Musk, like Trump, and as we have seen with Tucker Carlson, like Putin, seem to enjoy ritual humiliation.
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i do appreciate he points out his choice to repeatedly decline to criticize musk. maybe that’s how he got that twitter files gig?

hey samson, is it free speech to ban “journalists” once they’ve outlived their usefulness? he broke the twitter files and did everything he was told without criticism, isn’t that what free speech is all about?
 
So I'm getting ads for dick pills with hardcore pornograpy in them now. Yes, you might say those ads are catered to my browsing habits but it is still hardcore pornograpy
 
dirtywick said:
well this might be too stupid but then I think of john baron and we’ll maybe it’s not so stupid since it’s something that happens and elon is that guy. anyway apparently elon has an alt that he uses to praise and defend himself. and he is an alex jones listener. and he’s been going after folks who exposed it.

here is a summary of the evidence that it’s true.. this is the footage of jones show with icke that’s almost two hours long and don’t really expect people should watch it
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I'm, not sold on this.
I heard the conversation, and it sounds almost entirely (but not quite) like Musk.

I mean, it would be a very Trumpy thing to do, and I'm not putting it past Musk to do so, but if he did, I doubt he would be that good at it.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I'm, not sold on this.
I heard the conversation, and it sounds almost entirely (but not quite) like Musk.

I mean, it would be a very Trumpy thing to do, and I'm not putting it past Musk to do so, but if he did, I doubt he would be that good at it.
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i'm not sold on it either but musk has a way of proving this stuff right
 
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