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Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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bluesjnr said:
I'm conflicted. She knew the rules prior to purchasing the damn thing but in the end nobody stood to lose.
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I'm not. When she offered to pay all expenses of backing out, that is taking proper responsibity. There was no vital public interest in killing that particular goat.

Also, the most egregious violation was the police turning over the animal to the other party before it could come to a proper hearing.

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I'm not. When she offered to pay all expenses of backing out, that is taking proper responsibity. There was no vital public interest in killing that particular goat.

Also, the most egregious violation was the police turning over the animal to the other party before it could come to a proper hearing.

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My auction, my rules. Read 'em and don't make life hard for yourself.

But yeah, FFS lawmen and auctioneer, get some perspective.
 
Kinda seems like any police department with a work load so light that they can go investigate a goat dispute is one that can probably stand to have their budget substantially slashed.

No real crime to look into that you need to kick in doors for what amounts to a small claims dispute? These cops either have terrible discretion, or way, way too much free time on their hands.
 
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bluesjnr said:
My auction, my rules. Read 'em and don't make life hard for yourself.

But yeah, FFS lawmen and auctioneer, get some perspective.
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I think if someone in the transaction stood to lose something tangible, there would be some ambiguity, but as I recall from some previous discussion on this, the only real rationale here was a kind of life lesson for the kid, which I think came out quite wrong.
 
bruto said:
I think if someone in the transaction stood to lose something tangible, there would be some ambiguity, but as I recall from some previous discussion on this, the only real rationale here was a kind of life lesson for the kid, which I think came out quite wrong.
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Probably undermines the folksy spin these organizations are probably trying to put on the meat industry. I can't think of a better way to make a vegan for life than sending armed goons to rip a beloved animal from someone's hands to take to slaughter. Could not make the message "meat is violence" any more explicit.
 
I understand the role of 4H- they are trying to teach kids the realities of raising animals for food. But that lesson had been taught- and she realized it wasn't for her. They took it upon themselves to show her and the world that "animals need to be killed!"

As soon as the family was willing to pay restitution, the matter should have been dropped. They were trying to make some kind of "point" and using the girl's pet (and it was, now, a pet) as the tool. They, of course, are the tools. Use it as a teaching moment if you want- "Look what happened here- don't become too attached to an animal!" Instead, they just came off as bullies.
 
Jacksonville man dies after being refused post-heart transplant medication while in jail.

Dexter Barry waited 12 years to get a new heart. He saw dozens of doctors, had invasive procedures and moved states to survive. In 2020, his long wait paid off. His new heart allowed him to imagine a healthy life where he could revisit his passion for motorcycles and watch his children grow and flourish in their careers.

But in 2022, after a misdemeanor arrest kept him in jail for two days without his life-sustaining medication, his body rejected the heart.

Barry’s neighbor called 911 in November to complain that Barry, 54, had threatened to beat him up after a weeks-long fight over wifi access. A fight never occurred, but Barry was arrested on a simple assault charge.

Barry told Officer Jacob McKeon at least seven times that he needed to take his anti-rejection medications every day to survive, according to body camera footage that was reviewed by The Tributary. The next morning, according to the court transcript, Barry told Judge Gilbert Feltel the same.

“I am on medication,” Barry told the judge. “I just had a heart transplant, and I haven’t taken my medicine all day since I have been locked up, and I take rejection medicines for my heart so my heart won’t reject it, and I’m almost two years out.”

“OK,” Feltel responded.

The transcript from Dexter Barry’s first-appearance hearing shows him explaining why he needed heart-medication to a judge.

On Nov. 23, Barry died.

He never got his medication, according to his son and a lawyer representing his family. A pathologist hired by the family said he died after his body had rejected the heart he had waited so long for.
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https://jaxtrib.org/2023/05/23/i-ca...er-jail-denied-him-heart-transplant-medicine/
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jacksonville man dies after being refused post-heart transplant medication while in jail.


https://jaxtrib.org/2023/05/23/i-ca...er-jail-denied-him-heart-transplant-medicine/
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Police don't give a **** whether you live or die. They know they'll never be held accountable in this case. The worst that can happen to them individually is that they get fired, and they'll just be rehired quickly somewhere else. But in my book, this was murder.

Edited to add: And, of course, he was Black. He might have gotten that medication if he was White.
 
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shemp said:
Police don't give a **** whether you live or die. They know they'll never be held accountable in this case. The worst that can happen to them individually is that they get fired, and they'll just be rehired quickly somewhere else. But in my book, this was murder.

Edited to add: And, of course, he was Black. He might have gotten that medication if he was White.
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Florida in particular.

By invitation.

And they'll get a signing bonus.
 
bluesjnr said:
I'm conflicted. She knew the rules prior to purchasing the damn thing but in the end nobody stood to lose.
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It's worth noting that in California (and most other states) contracts with minors can more or less be voided at will if the minor changes their mind. This makes sense as minors probably don't understand the full consequences of the rules they are agreeing to.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Kinda seems like any police department with a work load so light that they can go investigate a goat dispute is one that can probably stand to have their budget substantially slashed.

No real crime to look into that you need to kick in doors for what amounts to a small claims dispute? These cops either have terrible discretion, or way, way too much free time on their hands.
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You want to have idle officers, because when a disaster happens you want as many of them available to respond as you can. Balancing between sufficient overcapacity to deal with emergencies and a reasonable operating budget is a very difficult process, especially since the needs of both change constantly.
 
Checkmite said:
Even the winner of the auction had already agreed to let her keep the goat.
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Not his auction, not his rules.

J. Macfarlane, livestock manager of the Shasta District Fair & Event Center, the state agency that runs the fair likes his rules. He called Long and told her that if she did not return Cedar, he would have her charged with felony grand theft.
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/24/us/mississippi-police-shooting-11-year-old-boy/index.html

Just another 11 yr old (black) boy who called the police during domestic violence against his mother, getting shot

Murry said the officer who arrived at the home “had his gun drawn at the front door and asked those inside the home to come outside.” Murry said her son was shot coming around the corner of a hallway, into the living room.

“Once he came from around the corner, he got shot,” Murry said. “I cannot grasp why. The same cop that told him to come out of the house. (Aderrien) did, and he got shot. He kept asking, ‘Why did he shoot me? What did I do wrong?’” she said.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/24/us/mississippi-police-shooting-11-year-old-boy/index.html

Just another 11 yr old (black) boy who called the police during domestic violence against his mother, getting shot

Murry said the officer who arrived at the home “had his gun drawn at the front door and asked those inside the home to come outside.” Murry said her son was shot coming around the corner of a hallway, into the living room.

“Once he came from around the corner, he got shot,” Murry said. “I cannot grasp why. The same cop that told him to come out of the house. (Aderrien) did, and he got shot. He kept asking, ‘Why did he shoot me? What did I do wrong?’” she said.
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3 former Mississippi police officers indicted for murder, manslaughter in death of Black man in custody

Three former Jackson police officers were indicted this week on murder and manslaughter charges in connection with the death of Keith Murriel, a 41-year-old Black man who was pinned down and repeatedly shocked with stun guns during a New Year's Eve arrest. A Mississippi grand jury indicted two of the ex-officers on murder charges and the third on a manslaughter charge.

Officials in the state capital of Jackson released body camera footage Wednesday that showed then-officers Avery Willis, Kenya McCarty and James Land struggling to handcuff Keith Murriel as he was apparently stunned numerous times over 10 minutes.

The officers had tackled Murriel while arresting him for allegedly trespassing at a hotel shortly before midnight on Dec. 31, 2022, authorities said.

McCarty and Willis have been charged with second-degree murder, and Land with manslaughter, court records showed. All three were placed on administrative leave after the incident. McCarty was fired in February, and Willis and Land in April. Willis and Land were fired for a policy violation, along with Cazinova Reed, CBS affiliate WJTV reported.
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The video shows McCarty kneeling with her knee on Murriel's back before Murriel flips around, and the three officers attempt to lock his hands behind his back. The 41-year-old man is seen pleading with officers to stop shocking him with stun guns.

After handcuffing Murriel, officers then laid the man horizontally on the back seat of a patrol vehicle, the video showed. He died after being taken into custody.

Willis' body camera footage showed him talking to another officer after the encounter.

"I hope (he) is asleep. Because if he's asleep, it'll be a good ride," Willis said, using a racial slur to refer to Murriel. "It was funny seeing (his) feet in the air."
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