Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[Babbylonian]

Did he go on to join the force and if so have you met him since? I only ask because I've got a story about PC Gordon Mitchell that demonstrates how those who cower without any authority behind them can become quite the ticket once they don the uniform.

It seems you don't understand the adage employed. It means all the apples are spoiled by the rotten ones. So many people think it means the bad apples are the exceptions.

 

[bruto]

Nothing to see here. Perfectly acceptable to arrest a man for watering flowers.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/police-arrest-alabama-pastor-no-140301444.html

I suppose he should count himself lucky they did not mistake that hose nozzle for a gun and shoot him 20 or 30 times.

I mean, really, what in ******* hell did they think a man holding a garden hose watering the flowers was doing? What kind of abject drooling idiot would even have to ask what he was doing? I mean, really, there is no good explanation for this. If they are either too bigoted to live in society or too stupid to function in it, what possible reason is there to keep them employed in public service?

 

[pgwenthold]

Let's say he wasn't actually asked and was just there watering flowers. And? Why cuff him?

Are they really out there protecting flowers from being overrated? Ask him to finish up and move on if you have to. But you don't have to

 

[TheGoldcountry]

A lad I employed wanted to become a PC, he certainly was not a bully in any sense or aggressive. It is a profession that proves the adage “ one bad apple spoils the barrel”.

I didn't say anyone who wants to be a police officer is necessarily a violent bully, anywhere in my post. My point was, people of that nature seem to gravitate towards these positions of authority, and the system in place seems to not only allow but at times promote it. Look at the reports of police officers written up for not being aggressive enough. It boggles the mind.

 

[TheGoldcountry]

Let's say he wasn't actually asked and was just there watering flowers. And? Why cuff him?

Are they really out there protecting flowers from being overrated? Ask him to finish up and move on if you have to. But you don't have to

The black guy didn't respect their authority, and they made an example of him.

It's really the neighborhood's fault for letting them in. It would never have happened in the good old days, they wouldn't have had black neighbors watering their flowers, the devious devils.

ETA: Really, aren't flowers overrated?

 

[Darat]

Did he go on to join the force and if so have you met him since? I only ask because I've got a story about PC Gordon Mitchell that demonstrates how those who cower without any authority behind them can become quite the ticket once they don the uniform.

He did join the police but I'm not in touch with him these days. I would expect he will have been spoiled by the bad apple.

 

[Darat]

I didn't say anyone who wants to be a police officer is necessarily a violent bully, anywhere in my post. My point was, people of that nature seem to gravitate towards these positions of authority, and the system in place seems to not only allow but at times promote it. Look at the reports of police officers written up for not being aggressive enough. It boggles the mind.

Or are these institutions rotten and spoil the good oeople?

 

[bruto]

Let's say he wasn't actually asked and was just there watering flowers. And? Why cuff him?

Are they really out there protecting flowers from being overrated? Ask him to finish up and move on if you have to. But you don't have to

According to the account they did ask, and he told them that he was watering the flowers (duh, holding a hose while watering flowers not, apparently, being visible to the cops standing there), told them who he was, and told them he was supposed to be there. What he refused to do was to surrender ID after having given absolutely sufficient, abundant, redundant information about what he was doing. Others came and told the police the same thing. Everyone but the anonymous tipster who called the cops confirmed his story. They then confiscated his phone (but of course that doesn't constitute any kind of ID, and taking it doesn't count as offensive) and hauled him off to the police station and arrested him on a flagrantly bogus charge of obstructing a government operation - that operation presumably being the bogus arrest of a person unequivocally and obviously and visibly minding his own business.

And sorry, no matter what, they have absolutely no business telling him to move on, either. He was where he belonged, doing exactly what he was supposed to where he was supposed to, confirmed by his neighbors, and where is he supposed to move on to anyway, given that he lives right across the street! No, even that should be seen as an unnecessary offense.

If the cops got a call, they have to come investigate. Any reasonable cop given the call they got should have arrived, and maybe gone so far as to ask something like "are you supposed to be doing this?" and having been given the visibly obvious answer, maybe have said something like "we got a complaint about a stranger, sorry to have troubled you."

 

[TheGoldcountry]

Or are these institutions rotten and spoil the good oeople?

What do you think I meant by promoting it? The good ones probably get beaten down and give up.

 

[shemp]

Cellphone video shows MDPD officers blocking pregnant woman from entering emergency room in Doral

DORAL, FLA. (WSVN) - A husband who was driving his pregnant wife to the hospital said two Miami-Dade Police officers refused to get out of the way.

Cellphone video caught the confrontation between the officers and the couple.

On Monday, the department said it is aware of the video.

On July 28, Kevin Enciso was taking his pregnant wife, Sabrina Enciso, to the emergency room of Jackson Memorial Hospital’s West Campus.

“I’m having a lot of pain,” said Sabrina on video.

She said she had been in a accident a day prior and her doctor instructed her to go to the hospital.

The couple were detoured when they tried to park, before the confrontation.

In the video, two deputies are seen blocking the entrance of the ER, they were said to have been talking to each other from their vehicles.

After being honked at, one of the officers moved on, although the other officer turned the encounter into a traffic stop.

“Cause I think I’m going to miscarry,” said Sabrina on video.

Kevin, who was the driver, was ordered out of his car. He had refused to show his license and demanded the officer’s supervisor.

“I am coming to the ER today because that’s what my doctor stated I needed to do, to make sure I don’t lose this child,” said Sabrina on video.

Enesco’s wife continued to film the entire confrontation.

The family is familiar with JMH, since Sabrina also works for the hospital.

“What is your title with Jackson Hospital?” said the officer.

“I am a financial analyst, I work in the business office,” said Sabrina.

The police officer, who identifies himself as Officer Daniels, provided his own diagnosis.

“She’s alert and she’s breathing,” said Daniels.

Only steps away from the ER doors, Daniels called fire rescue.

“Sit on the curb over there,” said Daniels.

The family said their civil rights were violated and have since filed a complaint.

The Enciso family eventually got the medical attention they needed and were at the hospital for several hours.

At this time, the case is currently under investigation by Internal Affairs.

I'm sure the cops will investigate themselves and find themselves innocent.

 

[Darat]

What do you think I meant by promoting it? The good ones probably get beaten down and give up.

I was more responding to this part of your post "..I didn't say anyone who wants to be a police officer is necessarily a violent bully, anywhere in my post. My point was, people of that nature seem to gravitate towards these positions of authority.."


Can we support that with evidence? I think (ETA: well to be honest it's more a "gut feeling" so not thinking!) that there is a spectrum of people who want to join the police force as officers and they are then spoiled by the institution to become bullies/ authoritarians/criminals.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Unless we can come up with some sort of logical narrative where people becomes cops and just all magically transform into authoritarian bullies after the fact I'm not sure what the alternative is.

Now sure as well things there is a degree of self-creating/self-feeding cycle here; i.e person type A tend to become cops therefore the culture of "cop" benefits person type A the most, wash, rinse, repeat, but I don't think "Career as a cop attracts a certain type of person" is really an extraordinary claim.

 

[Armitage72]

There was a guy I knew in high school, a year ahead of me, who was planning to become a police officer after he graduated. A drug dealing arrest he had after graduation prevented that, and he's currently in prison for murdering his pregnant wife, stuffing her body in a duffel bag, and tossing it in the river five years after he graduated.

 

[shemp]

There was a guy I knew in high school, a year ahead of me, who was planning to become a police officer after he graduated. A drug dealing arrest he had after graduation prevented that, and he's currently in prison for murdering his pregnant wife, stuffing her body in a duffel bag, and tossing it in the river five years after he graduated.

So, what's keeping him from being a cop?

 

[Disbelief]

So, what's keeping him from being a cop?

He needed to wait until after he was hired to become a criminal.

 

[lobosrul5]

So, what's keeping him from being a cop?

Because he did it in the wrong order. You become a drug-dealing wife murderer AFTER you become a police officer, not before. Or I could believe that APD officers didn't help cover up for a a fellow officer, and that his story that his wife killed herself with his service pistol on the day he "forgot" to bring it to work with him isn't the biggest load of BS I have ever heard.

 

[bobdroege7]

So many people think it means the bad apples are the exceptions.

I blame the Jackson 5!

 

[erlando]

Inmate Who Was Pregnant Settles Suit Over Stop at Starbucks en Route to a Hospital

Sandra Quinones, six months pregnant, was at a jail in Orange County, Calif., when her water broke in March 2016, according to court records.

She pushed the call button in her cell for two hours without a response, and when county employees finally did take her to a hospital, they stopped at a Starbucks along the way, her lawyer said in a federal lawsuit. She lost the pregnancy, according to court records.

A lawyer for Ms. Quinones, Richard P. Herman, wrote in the lawsuit, which was filed in April 2020 and later amended, that the unnamed county employees had decided not to call an ambulance.

Instead, he said, they took Ms. Quinones, then 28, to the hospital on a “nonemergency basis.” While the employees stopped at a Starbucks, Ms. Quinones was in the back of a van, bleeding and in labor, the lawsuit said. The suit did not say how long the stop at the Starbucks lasted.

 

[shemp]

If this happened in any of several states today, they'd charge HER with murder.

 

[Disbelief]

Fear when waking a man in the middle of the night, so one immediately opens fire.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ohio-police-fatally-shoot-unarmed-003757956.html

Police body-cam footage shows an officer opening a bedroom door in an apartment and immediately shooting Lewis, who was in bed. Lewis appeared to be holding the vape pen before he was shot, said Columbus Police Chief Elaine Bryant. No weapon was found.