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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part V

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JayUtah said:
You tried to delete the post in which you claim Sweden admitted to the crime of enforced disappearance as defined in the Rome Statute. But I had already responded to it. So now you're on the hook to sustain or explicitly withdraw it. The option of saving face is now closed.
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I deleted one message because I noted in retrospect the OP had called me a moron.

The Rome post...??? I'll check.
 
JayUtah said:
Can you explain how Google Translate put in the same ellipses in the quotes as Björkman did, in the same places?
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As I have said the only two Aftonbladet articles from Heiwa were those two Svensson ones.

If you recall, a poster provided the Swedish digital newspapers link and the ellipses were also there, so that is obvs where Bjorkman got the articles himself.
 
Vixen said:
I deleted one message because I noted in retrospect the OP had called me a moron.
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You could have reported its author for moderation, if that was the case. Instead you posted a single-sentence response, doubling down on the claim not only that Sweden had committed, and been convicted of, the crime of enforced disappearance but also that they had admitted to it. If your critics got the idea that you deleted the post belatedly because you knew you would be held to provide a source for that, would they be unreasonable?
 
After all this time Vixen seems to have a rather tenuous grasp of how the forum works. Her post is still here as quoted by another member, and all responses are still here. Quickly deleting that particular post has accomplished nothing.
 
Vixen said:
As I have said the only two Aftonbladet articles from Heiwa were those two Svensson ones.

If you recall, a poster provided the Swedish digital newspapers link and the ellipses were also there, so that is obvs where Bjorkman got the articles himself.
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You're claiming, then, that you went to a different source that contained the edited quotes, ran them through Google Translate, and then posted those results, instead of using the versions provided on the Heiwa website? If that's what you did, why are you praising Björkman for providing them? Aren't you praising him because that's where you got them?

And it's not the first time you've been caught trying to hide the Heiwa sources. When you copied Björkman's framing elements -- which occur only on his website, not in the original material -- you gave away that you're mining Heiwa for quotes and pretending to use primary material.
 
Vixen said:
I deleted one message because I noted in retrospect the OP had called me a moron.

The Rome post...??? I'll check.
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A thread search shows that the word "moron" was used in exactly one post by exactly one poster. Can you guess which post and which poster that might be?
 
Vixen said:
Dynamite is used in Finland a lot because there is a lot of granite. Fertile ground is reserved for crops, so the land for new buildings is very scarce and controlled and tend to be in the places where there is some rocky ground and/or forest, especially in the popular islands, where people like to have their summer cottages.
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:jaw-dropp The Finnish countryside is dying out and the people are moving into the few bigger cities that experience economic and population growth. The young people from countryside move for their tertiary education and stay for the jobs. As a result, the growing cities are continuously expanding. The easiest place to build is the farmland around the cities. If you would actually visit for example Greater Helsinki Area you would see a lot of disticts built on former fields without any rocky formations in sight.

There is so much wooded uninhabitated area, Finland isn't running out of farmland anytime soon.
 
Steve said:
And yet people knew where these fellows were. It was no secret. Disappeared in plain sight is a concept only one person here seems to think is reasonable.
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There is a big and real difference between someone unceremoniously thrown out of the country and in retrospect the state concerned is found to have done so and had their knuckles rapped and someone requisitioned by a foreign power without proper extradition proceedings merely on the basis it is the CIA as part of their Extraordinary Rendition procedures wherein suspected terrorists were shipped of to Guantanomo Bay. These guys were in a western democracy and were properly registered as asylum seekers, with designated lawyers. To try to make out their case was the same thing as the former example but not the latter, is to bury your head in the sand, especially as it was known the Egyptians used 'enhanced interrogation' techniques, popularly known as torture, and the persons concerned had sought asylum on those grounds of asylum from torture.

Not a 'deportation gone wrong'.
 
Vixen said:
There is a big and real difference between someone unceremoniously thrown out of the country and in retrospect the state concerned is found to have done so and had their knuckles rapped and someone requisitioned by a foreign power without proper extradition proceedings merely on the basis it is the CIA as part of their Extraordinary Rendition procedures wherein suspected terrorists were shipped of to Guantanomo Bay. These guys were in a western democracy and were properly registered as asylum seekers, with designated lawyers. To try to make out their case was the same thing as the former example but not the latter, is to bury your head in the sand, especially as it was known the Egyptians used 'enhanced interrogation' techniques, popularly known as torture, and the persons concerned had sought asylum on those grounds of asylum from torture.

Not a 'deportation gone wrong'.
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So not disappeared. You could have just said so.
 
Vixen said:
I deleted one message because I noted in retrospect the OP had called me a moron.

The Rome post...??? I'll check.
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To clarify: I was referring to post #1534, which was quoted and replied to by both JayUtah and MarkCorrigan (sorry, missed that initially).

Neither of those replies called you a moron. Or had anything to do with Rome.

I now see that you appear to have deleted post #1526, too. It seems that no one replied to that one.
Was that 'the Rome post'? Who is this OP who called you a moron? IIRC, you are the OP of this thread, are you not?
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
No, that is not what the bow visor is.

Herald of Free Enterprise had two horizontal opening clamshell doors, one to port and one to starboard. Estonia had a vertical pivoting visor.
Their construction and operation was completely different.
Recommendations from the enquiry made no difference to the construction of the Estonia, it was built and in operation for 7 years before the HOFE sank.
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It recommended the extra 'gate'.
 
Myriad said:
Bjorkman would more likely claim Shakespeare said "Some are born... and... have... thrust upon them" which proves some Elizabethan babies were jet-propelled.

Then Vixen would ask how dare we contradict Shakespeare who was certainly in a better position to know whether or not rocket prams were popular in London around the turn of the 17th century than any of us are.
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That's not true. Just because someone has dodgy views about various things, it doesn't follow they are ipso facto dishonest in all areas of their life.
 
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