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Cont: Trump's Coup - Part 3

Stacyhs said:
I wonder if Giuliani and some of Trump's campaign staff will also be charged with seditious conspiracy. Allegedly, RG et al were behind the fake elector certificates sent to the National Archives. If true, I'd bet Trump knew all about it and approved it:
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Trump's chief of staff was also involved in this crap (Mark Meadows).
 
Stacyhs said:
I wonder if Giuliani and some of Trump's campaign staff will also be charged with seditious conspiracy. Allegedly, RG et al were behind the fake elector certificates sent to the National Archives. If true, I'd bet Trump knew all about it and approved it:
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Wait until you find out the real reason all this was done it Might surprise you too learn it has something to do with Obstruction.
 
2036. The United States Democratic party enters it's 20th year of trying to prove in the court that Trump did something he fully bragged that he did on national TV.

At this point the Democrats couldn't prove Trump had a bad haircut.

We're, no joke, 5 years top from an OJ Style "How I did it" book from Trump. Ghostwritten of course.
 
JoeMorgue said:
2036. The United States Democratic party enters it's 20th year of trying to prove in the court that Trump did something he fully bragged that he did on national TV.

At this point the Democrats couldn't prove Trump had a bad haircut.

We're, no joke, 5 years top from an OJ Style "How I did it" book from Trump. Ghostwritten of course.
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Thanks much!

Your posting is quite sad and quite true.

For some reason, just about all of the leadership in the Democrat Party has been quite cowardly and quite timid when it comes to dealing with such an incredibly obvious and disgusting POS like Trump.

I expect that if the Democrats were not so feckless, then Trump would have far fewer supporters and that a least a few of these people would be become Democrat supporters.
 
JoeMorgue said:
2036. The United States Democratic party enters it's 20th year of trying to prove in the court that Trump did something he fully bragged that he did on national TV.

At this point the Democrats couldn't prove Trump had a bad haircut.

We're, no joke, 5 years top from an OJ Style "How I did it" book from Trump. Ghostwritten of course.
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Bull ****. You have a short memory about Dump controlling the DoJ. He doesn't now.

Crossbow said:
Thanks much!

Your posting is quite sad and quite true.

For some reason, just about all of the leadership in the Democrat Party has been quite cowardly and quite timid when it comes to dealing with such an incredibly obvious and disgusting POS like Trump.

I expect that if the Democrats were not so feckless, then Trump would have far fewer supporters and that a least a few of these people would be become Democrat supporters.
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Riiight. Dump controlling the DoJ didn't have **** to do with anything, did it. :rolleyes:
 
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JoeMorgue said:
2036. The United States Democratic party enters it's 20th year of trying to prove in the court that Trump did something he fully bragged that he did on national TV.

At this point the Democrats couldn't prove Trump had a bad haircut.

We're, no joke, 5 years top from an OJ Style "How I did it" book from Trump. Ghostwritten of course.
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JoeMorgue said:
I should make a keyboard shortcut for "I'm sure I'll be proven wrong... any day now."
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You should make a keyboard shortcut so you can post this same message with one click instead of having to actually type it out all the time. It'll save you a lot of time considering how often you post it.
 
Yale scholar says we're seriously screwed.
The problem with a failed coup, which is what January 6th, 2021, is, is that it is practice for a successful coup. So what we're looking at now is a kind of slow-motion practice for a repetition of all of that, but this time with the legal parts of it more fully prepared. What I'm afraid of is that now, in the shadow of a big lie — namely, that Trump actually won — the states are preparing the legal steps that will enable Trump to be installed as president the next time around. And that in turn will lead to a terrible sort of conflict, the kind that we haven't seen before.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...mpaign/ar-AASNehr?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnb7Kz
https://snyder.substack.com/p/a-dream-of-power-an-awakening-to
 
BobTheCoward said:
If they take the legal steps next time, then it isn't a coup.
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That's not what he's saying. He's saying the GOP are taking steps to make or have made laws that will enable Trump to become president:

These are the steps that Republicans are undertaking, now, to create a different outcome next time.
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...publicans-election-democracy-seven-ways-trump
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Yea...if you pass laws to do it, then it is legal
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It may be technically legal, but all the things I enumerated above are based on a lie: that the election was rigged and there was massive fraud. I don't believe all those who voted for or executed the steps above truly believe that but used it to gain control over the next elections. Therefore they are immoral.

Now you come back with some kind of contrary reply. I'm not going down your very predictable rabbit hole.
 
Stacyhs said:
It may be technically legal, but all the things I enumerated above are based on a lie: that the election was rigged and there was massive fraud. I don't believe all those who voted for or executed the steps above truly believe that but used it to gain control over the next elections. Therefore they are immoral.

Now you come back with some kind of contrary reply. I'm not going down your very predictable rabbit hole.
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I won't argue because I don't have an opinion on it's morality.
 
Not to side with our resident Android, but the fact is that all these new laws being enacted by R legislatures, however immoral, are legal until challenged and litigated. If the sane fraction of the populace cannot motivate itself sufficiently to oppose this, then, as I so annoyingly keep saying, the People will get the government it deserves.

At some point, perhaps, there should be a mass, nationwide protest, if not a strike, with an almighty clamoring for the Dems and the DoJ to get their **** together. Call for voting rights, an end to Gerrymandering, and an end to big money in politics. If the government is ostensibly "of" the people, then it really is up to the people to let the pols know it.

Some will call me hopelessly naive. But the blackness of the abyss looms. Relying on the politicians to halt that fateful step into calamity is to invest too much hope in a system bound by inertia and comprised of fallible, selfish and corrupted humans.
 
Lurch said:
Not to side with our resident Android, but the fact is that all these new laws being enacted by R legislatures, however immoral, are legal until challenged and litigated. If the sane fraction of the populace cannot motivate itself sufficiently to oppose this, then, as I so annoyingly keep saying, the People will get the government it deserves.

At some point, perhaps, there should be a mass, nationwide protest, if not a strike, with an almighty clamoring for the Dems and the DoJ to get their **** together. Call for voting rights, an end to Gerrymandering, and an end to big money in politics. If the government is ostensibly "of" the people, then it really is up to the people to let the pols know it.

Some will call me hopelessly naive. But the blackness of the abyss looms. Relying on the politicians to halt that fateful step into calamity is to invest too much hope in a system bound by inertia and comprised of fallible, selfish and corrupted humans.
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There's a meta-level that goes beyond these measures being merely (!) immoral. A constitutional and anti-democratic law can be passed. Kurt Goedel's loophole is assumed to be the legal amending of the article of the Constitution on amending the Constitution such that only the President can introduce amendments and they are adopted without any other approval (IIRC). That would turn the U.S. into a dictatorship, but accomplished by thoroughly legal and constitutional means.

So it's not so much about the Repub's anti-democratic but legal measures being immoral (although they are), they are contrary to the spirit of the democracy in a way that transcends the usual perspective on something being against the "spirit" of the law. It's on another level entirely, and is horrendous on a fundamental level, even if it is done legally.
 
Paul2 said:
There's a meta-level that goes beyond these measures being merely (!) immoral. A constitutional and anti-democratic law can be passed. Kurt Goedel's loophole is assumed to be the legal amending of the article of the Constitution on amending the Constitution such that only the President can introduce amendments and they are adopted without any other approval (IIRC). That would turn the U.S. into a dictatorship, but accomplished by thoroughly legal and constitutional means.

So it's not so much about the Repub's anti-democratic but legal measures being immoral (although they are), they are contrary to the spirit of the democracy in a way that transcends the usual perspective on something being against the "spirit" of the law. It's on another level entirely, and is horrendous on a fundamental level, even if it is done legally.
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Well said.
 
The broad AUMF was already closer to that than I was ever comfortable with.
 
Paul2 said:
There's a meta-level that goes beyond these measures being merely (!) immoral. A constitutional and anti-democratic law can be passed. Kurt Goedel's loophole is assumed to be the legal amending of the article of the Constitution on amending the Constitution such that only the President can introduce amendments and they are adopted without any other approval (IIRC). That would turn the U.S. into a dictatorship, but accomplished by thoroughly legal and constitutional means.

So it's not so much about the Repub's anti-democratic but legal measures being immoral (although they are), they are contrary to the spirit of the democracy in a way that transcends the usual perspective on something being against the "spirit" of the law. It's on another level entirely, and is horrendous on a fundamental level, even if it is done legally.
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I don't mean this in a "Republic not a democracy har har har" way. The constitution is filled with anti democratic structures. Anti democracy seems very much in the spirit of the Constitution.
 
Warp12 said:
Except, I'm not whining about it. I am merely pointing it out. The whining is coming from those who insist on denying it is a highly partisan committee, or people blaming it on the GOP. I am one person, maintaining a position despite constantly being challenged by numerous others.

Half of them are squealing, "it is the fault of the GOP", half of them are screeching, "it is not partisan!". It's funny to watch.

I mean, I am totally endorsing Dems using this opportunity to their advantage. Is that really "whining"?
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Specifically, in what way is it "highly" partisan, as opposed to ambient partisanship?
 
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