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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Bau of the Fifth Column



"It's not a military coup - but I suggest you google palace coup"

ETA: he suggests auto coup or self coup
 
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Thermal said:
Of course. Saying the Dildo Storm was worse than the attack on Pearl Harbor and 9/11 is indeed an adult perspective. Do carry on.
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Millions of people died in Pearl Harbor and 9/11? Damn, I really do need to go back and read a history book. Here I thought those two events combined were less than 7ish thousand.

Also, keep in mind that those were ambush attacks from forces outside of the US. Pearl Harbor happened during a literal world war that was engulfing Europe and caused by a country that despised the US. Same with 9/11.

1/6 happened for no other reason than a bunch of ******* morons were mad their guy didn't win. So they worked together (more and more it seems, as information is coming out) to storm the Capitol to stop a democratically held election from being certified.

Now sure, you'll go on and on and on and....on about how you don't think they were organized, or it wasn't dangerous enough to you, or the people were so stupid that there was no chance for success, and whatever other lame excuse you've conjured during this thread, but the fact remains it was an attack on the Capitol by its citizens. The ONLY REASON it didn't succeed was because the few men and women defending the Capitol, short handed, outnumbered, and with no backup for a significant period of time (something that is now being showed to be on purpose by those in power) did so beyond expectation. Seriously, stop.
 
Damn someone still defending a stupid hill like they are afraid the January 6 rioters are gonna try and take it.
 
jimbob said:
Bau of the Fifth Column



"It's not a military coup - but I suggest you google palace coup"

ETA: he suggests auto coup or self coup
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Posted earlier.

Who is this guy, btw? I gather that he is an anarchist, and likes to make videos in his workshop dressed like a redneck. Beyond that I don't know what kind of punch he is believed to pack.

His primary discussion consists of two major mistakes: he assumes everyone who disagrees doesn't know what a military coup is (repeats that over and over, and says it's not like the movies every few seconds), and the repeated bald assertion that it is not up for debate whether it's not a coup. This is after he cites the Cline Institute as authoritative on the subject, then says he couldn't disagree with them more. Not sure who is supposed to end up being credible in that one.

I liked the argument about it being a self coup, but it kind of begs the question that Trump.planned to go dictatorial. I doubt that heavily, based on his demonstrable weakness. It's more likely that he wanted to tamper with the process enough to secure a second term, but not this dictator thing so many seem convinced of.
 
Thermal said:
Posted earlier.

Who is this guy, btw? I gather that he is an anarchist, and likes to make videos in his workshop dressed like a redneck. Beyond that I don't know what kind of punch he is believed to pack.

His primary discussion consists of two major mistakes: he assumes everyone who disagrees doesn't know what a military coup is (repeats that over and over, and says it's not like the movies every few seconds), and the repeated bald assertion that it is not up for debate whether it's not a coup. This is after he cites the Cline Institute as authoritative on the subject, then says he couldn't disagree with them more. Not sure who is supposed to end up being credible in that one.

I liked the argument about it being a self coup, but it kind of begs the question that Trump.planned to go dictatorial. I doubt that heavily, based on his demonstrable weakness. It's more likely that he wanted to tamper with the process enough to secure a second term, but not this dictator thing so many seem convinced of.
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Second term for him then a Third for Ivanka, then Barron, a criminal Dynasty is most likely.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Damn someone still defending a stupid hill like they are afraid the January 6 rioters are gonna try and take it.
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In fairness to Thermal, he did have this to say about the dangers of the fallout post-January 6th:
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Any mob, with any motivation, being empowered by precedent to do anything they like without regard for the procedural will of the actual people. For a start.
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Oh wait, hang on... Thermal actually said that about *checks notes*... people tearing down statues.

So to recap, tearing down statues will lead to societal breakdown, but Trump supporters storming the Capitol in a violent insurrection are a bunch of dildos and haha you're all stupid to be worried about it.
 
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johnny karate said:
In fairness to Thermal, he did have this to say about the dangers of the fallout post-January 6th:



Oh wait, hang on... Thermal actually said that about *checks notes*... people tearing down statues.

So to recap, tearing down statues will lead to societal breakdown, but Trump supporters storming the Capitol in a violent insurrection are a bunch of dildos and haha you're all stupid to be worried about it.
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It's so cute when you think you have a gotcha. I mean, it's adorable. But allow me to channel my inner Turtle-Jo Karate Master and patiently clarify your foolish lack of comprehension, yet again.

You see, Grasshopper, I not only stand by what I said about the statue mobs, but it applies even more to the Dildos. If you have a neuron or two still firing, you may recall I have said over and over that we should be building new prisons to store each and every one of the J6ers for their long stretches, no pleas accepted, and max penalties pursued at any expense, as this was an unprecedented matter of principle. Do you understand that? Do you even remember that? You should, what with this creepshow stalking of my posts. The only thing weirder than you memorizing my posts is that you make it clear that you don't understand a word of them, yet quote them left and right. Super freakshow, dude.
 
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Thermal said:
Posted earlier.

Who is this guy, btw? I gather that he is an anarchist, and likes to make videos in his workshop dressed like a redneck. Beyond that I don't know what kind of punch he is believed to pack.

His primary discussion consists of two major mistakes: he assumes everyone who disagrees doesn't know what a military coup is (repeats that over and over, and says it's not like the movies every few seconds), and the repeated bald assertion that it is not up for debate whether it's not a coup. This is after he cites the Cline Institute as authoritative on the subject, then says he couldn't disagree with them more. Not sure who is supposed to end up being credible in that one.
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That is a very disingenious characterization of that video.

Beau very clearly explains that he disagrees with the Cline institute regarding the *categorization* of the coup, then goes on to explain why he does and why he thinks the Cline institute came to a different conclusion (time of release).

He does NOT say that anyone who thinks this is not a coup doesn't know what a military coup is. He quite clearly explains that and why some people tend to falsely assume that a military coup is the only kind of coup there is, then goes on to name and explain other different categories of coups that people often tend to not consider.

All in all this is an excellent video by a very smart and well spoken guy.

Tommok
 
Tommok said:
That is a very disingenious characterization of that video.

Beau very clearly explains that he disagrees with the Cline institute regarding the *categorization* of the coup, then goes on to explain why he does and why he thinks the Cline institute came to a different conclusion (time of release).

He does NOT say that anyone who thinks this is not a coup doesn't know what a military coup is. He quite clearly explains that and why some people tend to falsely assume that a military coup is the only kind of coup there is, then goes on to name and explain other different categories of coups that people often tend to not consider.

All in all this is an excellent video by a very smart and well spoken guy.

Tommok
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Admittedly, I was powerfully turned off by his "it's not up for debate" approach (which I note you didn't address). That's not what intelligent people say. That's what exceptionally stupid people say when they can't argue their point yet demand it be accepted as fact. Theres a term for that.
 
Thermal said:
I liked the argument about it being a self coup, but it kind of begs the question that Trump planned to go dictatorial. I doubt that heavily, based on his demonstrable weakness. It's more likely that he wanted to tamper with the process enough to secure a second term, but not this dictator thing so many seem convinced of.
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I mean...I guess he wouldn't have to be a dictator.
 
Thermal said:
The J6ers didn't know what the **** they were doing.
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Agreed. They needlessly complicate things.

Suppose Pence went along with the cockamamie scheme to refuse to certify electors, nobody gets 270 votes in the EC, the election gets thrown into the House, and Trump wins ("wins"). Would you regard that as a coup?
 
Venom said:
I mean...I guess he wouldn't have to be a dictator.
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I think there is a big difference between blustering or deceiving your way into convincing people to let you stay in conventional power, versus seizing it.

It doesn't make it excusable, or tolerable at all. Just different.
 
Cain said:
Agreed. They needlessly complicate things.

Suppose Pence went along with the cockamamie scheme to refuse to certify electors, nobody gets 270 votes in the EC, the election gets thrown into the House, and Trump wins ("wins"). Would you regard that as a coup?
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Depends on the specifics, but probably yes, with the lion's share of the blame on Pence for actually taking the unconstitutional steps to make it happen. Still can't see any plausible way for him to refuse the certification that the action wouldn't be challenged, and Pence likely going to the hoosegow.

And that's how I see the whole crew; lots of yapping about what they're gonna do, but too timid to actually do it.
 
plague311 said:
Millions of people died in Pearl Harbor and 9/11? Damn, I really do need to go back and read a history book. Here I thought those two events combined were less than 7ish thousand.

Also, keep in mind that those were ambush attacks from forces outside of the US. Pearl Harbor happened during a literal world war that was engulfing Europe and caused by a country that despised the US. Same with 9/11.

1/6 happened for no other reason than a bunch of ******* morons were mad their guy didn't win. So they worked together (more and more it seems, as information is coming out) to storm the Capitol to stop a democratically held election from being certified.

Now sure, you'll go on and on and on and....on about how you don't think they were organized, or it wasn't dangerous enough to you, or the people were so stupid that there was no chance for success, and whatever other lame excuse you've conjured during this thread, but the fact remains it was an attack on the Capitol by its citizens. The ONLY REASON it didn't succeed was because the few men and women defending the Capitol, short handed, outnumbered, and with no backup for a significant period of time (something that is now being showed to be on purpose by those in power) did so beyond expectation. Seriously, stop.
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Well said. :thumbsup:
 
Thermal said:
Depends on the specifics, but probably yes...
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So it's probably an attempted coup.

...with the lion's share of the blame on Pence for actually taking the unconstitutional steps to make it happen. Still can't see any plausible way for him to refuse the certification that the action wouldn't be challenged, and Pence likely going to the hoosegow.

And that's how I see the whole crew; lots of yapping about what they're gonna do, but too timid to actually do it.
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Pence would not get the lion's share of blame: It starts with the president. Pence would have been following orders (and that's not exculpatory). Pence weathered a pressure campaign from the president. The mob was an additional force to encourage Pence and others to go along. Would it have succeeded? Probably not. Trump and his group of plotters are incompetent idiots, but their goal was to seize another term/power.

In the real world, coups are almost always based on some pretext. Plotters never say, "The other guy is the rightful winner, but..." Instead it takes the form, "The other guy is not the rightful winner BECAUSE..."
 
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