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The Rise of Hitler and The Age of Trump: A Comparison

dudalb said:
BTW, Indy's use of that pharase in "Last Crusade" is a direct tip of the hat to "The Blues Brothers". Sort of a return for Spielberg's cameo in Brothers. (He is the clerk at the Cook Counry Assesors Office".
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I did not know that.

dudalb said:
And let's face it, Indy fighting Commies and Aliens in Indy 4 just was not as much fun
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I don't think the lack of fun had anything to do with commies and aliens. It was just a mediocre script.
 
dudalb said:
I agree, but ,still, it is not a good look for some progressive to basically defend and excuse Communism. Just admit it was a horrid system, prove that more moderate forms of socialism are totally different, and move on.
And there are a few hard line Marxist out there, and they are getting pretty loud on some mainstream forums.
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Yea now capitalism we have to thank for the Belgian Congo but fortunately no one holds a few million dead blacks against.
 
The difference between Communism and Nazism is you can mentioned Nazism on the internet without a liberal screeching that "Real Nazism hasn't been tried yet!"

Enough of my liberal friends are at least cozy to the idea of communism that I'm comfortable saying there's some bedfellows there.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Enough of my liberal friends are at least cozy to the idea of communism that I'm comfortable saying there's some bedfellows there.
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Well, yeah, just like the right-wing and fascism venn diagram has an area in common. Communism is a left-wing ideology, so it's no surprise.
 
JoeMorgue said:
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Enough of my liberal friends are at least cozy to the idea of communism that I'm comfortable saying there's some bedfellows there.
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What's your idea of "communism?" The right-wing contends that Social Security and Medicare, let alone universal health care and affordable college, smack of "communism," but that doesn't make it so.
 
Bob001 said:
What's your idea of "communism?" The right-wing contends that Social Security and Medicare, let alone universal health care and affordable college, smack of "communism," but that doesn't make it so.
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Let me put it this way.

No less then a dozen of my liberal friends; good smart people, shared a meme within the last week that read "We were told Communism is bad by the same people who told us segregation was good."

I know every discussion is going to get drawn back to the "Socialism/Communism" thing because there is no argument that you can make that will drag the internet away from splitting a pedantic hair.

Communism is still bad. The fact that we had a Red Scare doesn't make Communism good. The fact that the right can't tell the difference between Communism and a hole in the ground does not make Communism good.

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Let me put it this way.

No less then a dozen of my liberal friends; good smart people, shared a meme within the last week that read "We were told Communism is bad by the same people who told us segregation was good."

I know every discussion is going to get drawn back to the "Socialism/Communism" thing because there is no argument that you can make that will drag the internet away from splitting a pedantic hair.

Communism is still bad. The fact that we had a Red Scare doesn't make Communism good. The fact that the right can't tell the difference between Communism and a hole in the ground does not make Communism good.

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less.
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That doesn't answer the question. Communism is the word for brutal totalitarian regimes like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China or today's North Korea. It just has nothing to do with socialist democracies like Sweden or Denmark that share resources across the society. You can't claim that they have anything in common.
 
Trump was nothing like Hitler. During his lifetime he won awards for hiring the most black workers. None of his rhetoric is racist. He was interested in keeping jobs in American and bringing jobs back that had gone to foreign countries.

Nobodies perfect but overall he was a good President.
 
Bob001 said:
That doesn't answer the question. Communism is the word for brutal totalitarian regimes like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China or today's North Korea. It just has nothing to do with socialist democracies like Sweden or Denmark that share resources across the society. You can't claim that they have anything in common.
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Are you talking to me or a generic advisory that exists in your head?

I made no comparison to socialism. I didn't even bring it up.

"LOL people don't know the difference between communism and socalism" isn't a valid response to anyone not liking communism.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The difference between Communism and Nazism is you can mentioned Nazism on the internet without a liberal screeching that "Real Nazism hasn't been tried yet!"

Enough of my liberal friends are at least cozy to the idea of communism that I'm comfortable saying there's some bedfellows there.
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Well for one thing communism is an economic system while fascism is a political system. So it would be more sensible to compare it to capitalism, and people are fine with the 18 million dead Africans from just King Leopold's actions so that can't really be counted against capitalism. They were worthless blacks after all.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Let me put it this way.

No less then a dozen of my liberal friends; good smart people, shared a meme within the last week that read "We were told Communism is bad by the same people who told us segregation was good."

I know every discussion is going to get drawn back to the "Socialism/Communism" thing because there is no argument that you can make that will drag the internet away from splitting a pedantic hair.

Communism is still bad. The fact that we had a Red Scare doesn't make Communism good. The fact that the right can't tell the difference between Communism and a hole in the ground does not make Communism good.

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more, no less.
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And of course capitalism can never be held accountable for its deaths, because that would be wrong. That is why we have to ignore all those and pretend they were naturally associated with progress.

Now bring back hand chopping off to motivate your workers, it worked for Leopold and Columbus and no one seriously thinks they were monsters of some sort.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Are you talking to me or a generic advisory that exists in your head?

I made no comparison to socialism. I didn't even bring it up.
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From your post:
I know every discussion is going to get drawn back to the "Socialism/Communism" thing because there is no argument that you can make that will drag the internet away from splitting a pedantic hair.
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Sounds to me like you don't appreciate the difference.
 
Bob001 said:
Sounds to me like you don't appreciate the difference.
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Okay this is like the cliff of a Bob-hole here so I'm going to be very, very clear.

Look me in the eyes. Do you understand that someone can "appreciate the difference" between something and still dislike both of them?

Do you understand that someone can dislike both communism and socialism, and not just think they are the same thing?

Don't say anything but yes or no.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Trump was nothing like Hitler. During his lifetime he won awards for hiring the most black workers.
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Trump was awarded the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in 1986. The irony burns. However:

Trump was one of 87 people to be honored with the Ellis Island Medal of Honor in 1986 for his successful work as a developer in New York City, not for his work within the black community.

Trump was part of the first group of Americans to be given the award, which recognized people hailing from a variety of ethnic backgrounds who made significant contributions to the country, Otto Coca, communications director for the Ellis Island Honors Society, told The Associated Press last year.

Trump was honored because of his German heritage and his work as a developer.
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https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-6348420521

Cainkane1 said:
None of his rhetoric is racist.
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:lolsign:



He was interested in keeping jobs in American and bringing jobs back that had gone to foreign countries.
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So was Obama and so is Biden.

Nobodies perfect but overall he was a good President.
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There aren't enough laughing dog emojis in the world.........
 
Bob001 said:
That doesn't answer the question. Communism is the word for brutal totalitarian regimes like Stalinist Russia or Maoist China or today's North Korea. It just has nothing to do with socialist democracies like Sweden or Denmark that share resources across the society. You can't claim that they have anything in common.
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They have quite a bit in common, but communism takes the idea so far that it's unfeasible within the human context, regardless of the totalitarian implementation. That doesn't mean that socialism is bad, just like the idea of drowning doesn't make water bad.
 
Meh.
In 1930, Germany had been a united country for about 60 years and a republic for about 10. Trump has no real ideology other than self aggrandizement, unless you want to compare the Art of the Deal to Mien Kampf.

Comparisons to Hitler and the NAZIs are still facile and obscure more than they enlighten.


Edit to add, Its clear many on the right don't know the difference between communism and their own ********, this thread shows that many on the left don't know the difference between fascism and their own ********. Which, was the case when Orwell said as much in the 40s.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
And of course capitalism can never be held accountable for its deaths, because that would be wrong. That is why we have to ignore all those and pretend they were naturally associated with progress.

Now bring back hand chopping off to motivate your workers, it worked for Leopold and Columbus and no one seriously thinks they were monsters of some sort.
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How exactly is that capitalism?
 
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