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UK - Train firm apologise for "ladies and gentlemen" announcement

Checkmite said:
This type of argument, like Belz's "should they recognize all subgroups no matter how small", is quite frankly stupid. It takes problems with painfully intuitive solutions and pretends they are inscrutable in much the same way that "as-seen-on-TV" gadgets frame utterly common and mundane household tasks as if they are extremely difficult or complication-fraught for the average person, inventing a pressing need for whatever gimmicky junk is being peddled.
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Except that in both cases, the infomercial and this, there is no problem to solve. The exaggerated nature of my comment, which should have been obvious by the inclusion of lefties and such, was meant to highlight this. My point, which I stated plainly, was not that we should name all of these tiny groups, but that we in fact shouldn't. Whether that means using "passengers" or "dudes" or keeping "ladies and gentlemen" is irrelevant.
 
theprestige said:
This is an extremely rare condition that describes almost nobody who prefers a nonbinary gender identity.

In almost all cases, the primary and secondary sex characteristics of an individual are quite easy to observe. Even people who successfully "pass" as nonbinary don't pass with their trousers down.

Not that we need people to drop trou or anything. For the most part, it's fine to preserve the polite fiction that transgender identities matter, at least to the individual so identifying. Obviously it's different in the bedroom.
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What utter bollox. Some entitled teen got a snit on about his entitlement. That is all this is.
 
Belz... said:
Except that in both cases, the infomercial and this, there is no problem to solve.
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Except that there was. The inconvenienced customers brought the problem to the management's attention, and management agreed there was a problem and moved to rectify it, as the management of public-facing enterprises are wont to do as a function of customer satisfaction being important to them.
 
Checkmite said:
Except that there was. The inconvenienced customers brought the problem to the management's attention, and management agreed there was a problem and moved to rectify it, as the management of public-facing enterprises are wont to do as a function of customer satisfaction being important to them.
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Wonder what happens if another customer is inconvenienced by them not using "Ladies and Gentlemen"

Edit: Should add that, I know I have an immature sense of humour, but I would love to complain for a joke when they change it.
 
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cullennz said:
Wonder what happens if another customer is inconvenienced by them not using "Ladies and Gentlemen"

Edit: Should add that, I know I have an immature sense of humour, but I would love to complain for a joke when they change it.
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"A greeting which includes some classes, but not others" and "a greeting which is fully inclusive" have qualitative differences and so the hypothetical objection fails to identify any harm or diminution in the same way as the real objection which identified actual disparity in respect.
 
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theprestige said:
There are men and women who are sufficiently androgynous to create uncertainty, especially if they enhance their androgynous qualities. Twiggy, for example. Or Tilda Swinton in some modes.
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Ahh. Yeah, true I suppose.

Kind of like Grace Jones

Cheers
 
Delphic Oracle said:
"A greeting which includes some classes, but not others" and "a greeting which is fully inclusive" have qualitative differences and so the hypothetical objection fails to identify any harm or diminution in the same way as the real objection which identified actual disparity in respect.
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But I find it offensive not being called a gentleman, and my wife literally broke down in tears when she was not called a lady. You see she was born a male and the lack of every affirmation of her true gender is like a knife to her heart.

We are not mere "Passengers"...Drones.....Wallets for your companies tills.
 
Checkmite said:
Except that there was. The inconvenienced customers brought the problem to the management's attention, and management agreed there was a problem and moved to rectify it, as the management of public-facing enterprises are wont to do as a function of customer satisfaction being important to them.
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Sorry, a complaint doesn't mean there's a problem. The customer is not always right.
 
Checkmite said:
Except that there was. The inconvenienced customers brought the problem to the management's attention, and management agreed there was a problem and moved to rectify it, as the management of public-facing enterprises are wont to do as a function of customer satisfaction being important to them.
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Corporate responses to customer complaints do not necessarily signal that management believes the complaint has merit. I think your inference is unfounded.
 
cullennz said:
Why are you saying my wife's discrimination as a trans woman are not are not equivalent to a non binary persons?



Why do you hate trans people?
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Are we still in the hypothetical scenario where nobody's gender was referred to at all or is this just a rant of thinly-veiled contempt attempting to portray trans people as eternally self-victimizing?

Either way, it is a disgusting conversation to have.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Are we still in the hypothetical scenario where nobody's gender was referred to at all or is this just a rant of thinly-veiled contempt attempting to portray trans people as eternally self-victimizing?

Either way, it is a disgusting conversation to have.
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It is still the hypothetical.

It is just a scenario that could possibly happen these days.

It definitely isn't the latter, as most trans people aren't weirdos, like this nonbinary person.
 
theprestige said:
Corporate responses to customer complaints do not necessarily signal that management believes the complaint has merit. I think your inference is unfounded.
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Whether management sympathizes with the customer's complaint isn't necessary. Acting on it is an acknowledgement that the problem exists and needs to be dealt with.
 
cullennz said:
It is still the hypothetical.

It is just a scenario that could possibly happen these days.
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No, it's not. You want that to be true because it has to be in order for your assertion that dropping the superfluous "ladies and gentlemen" greeting before an announcement is an undue burden on "someone" to carry any water; but it isn't, and it doesn't.
 
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