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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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The Great Zaganza said:
Sure.

My point is that REPUBLICANS, first and foremost McConnell, would never allow a second election to happen, because most likely they would do worse.
By calling the bluff, Democrats might be able to turn the ire of the Trump crowd against the GOP instead.
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I'm pretty sure you're right. The problem is, it's not worth it to normalize Trump's shenanigans even as a bluff.
 
Dave Rogers said:
That isn't going to happen, and nothing that does happen will change their belief system.

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It seems that I'm not making myself clear.

The Rudy/Sideny sideshow has demonstrated that the Trump fanatics will clasp at any straw and blame the most loyal Republicans for not doing so, too.

If Dems propose that Republicans just have to do another election, and Republicans have to go on camera saying that they won't/it's not possible, they will be perceived as the Deep State that wants Trump out, just as Kemp already is.
The move is counting on Trump fans rather turn against the GOP than abandon him.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Kraken got krunked.



https://www.news.com.au/world/north...d/news-story/46d1c8e86c8745859b0b5ca814495c91
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Just a note, there was a THIRD order made that told a few counties to preserve the state of their voting machines. It's all standard stuff regardless and nothing special about it. Basically the court is saying "leave things as they are for now until we can look at this case in its entirety" and they can't look at the case as whole until the defendants submit their reply to the (mess of a) lawsuit. That won't happen until later on this week.

As some lawyers on the Twitter have noted, there is not much time left for anything to actually happen. Given that the court doesn't seem to be moving things along particularly quickly, that points to the whole thing just getting tossed out.

They will also run into some very big problems because of the fact that:

1. The voting machines print out a paper ballot that the voter can examine are securely stored.
2. A hand recount of ALL those paper ballots was done
3. The count for those ballots matched what was reported by the machines.

So they are going to have to come up with some explanation, with evidence, of how the machines could have been altering votes when the physical ballots match.
 
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Trump Retweeted

TRUMP IS STILL OUR PRESIDENT@9NEWSNANCY
“@RandPaul wants an explanation on WHY Trump's "defeat" happened in FOUR DATA DUMPS between 1:34 am & 6:31 am.
We all know Trump won this election.
If we don’t fight for truth here — we will FOREVER get evil by default.
#FreeAndFairElections
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Retweeted

TRUMP IS STILL OUR PRESIDENT@9NEWSNANCY
“@RandPaul wants an explanation on WHY Trump's "defeat" happened in FOUR DATA DUMPS between 1:34 am & 6:31 am.
We all know Trump won this election.
If we don’t fight for truth here — we will FOREVER get evil by default.
#FreeAndFairElections
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1.) It didn't. In some states (IIRC MI and WI), Trump lost the lead in a couple large dumps because large metropolitan areas, which have a lot of votes and lean heavily dem to begin with, released their counts o f mail in votes (which lean even MORE dem) in one shot.
2.) In other states, like PA and GA, they released series of small counts over a few days as they processed the huge number of mail in ballots.
3.) In AZ, we sorta saw the opposite of #2. AZ slowly processed votes that leaned to Trump after initially processing the heavy Biden ones. So Trump ate into Biden's lead over several days but never had enough.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I'm at the point where I wished the Democrats and Biden would call Trump's bluff:

ask to redo the election, given all voters the chance to cure their ballots, have the OSCE in to monitor.
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You can't be serious? Trump lost by 6.3 million votes. No do overs.
 
Looks like Cook Political made some corrections. Last update saw Trump lose 10K in votes and Biden added 30K.

Biden: 80,288,103

Trump: 73,974,526

Difference:6,313,577
 
The Governor and SoS of Georgia tried hard to rig the election for Trump and Republicans in general. They did so in a way that they could "plausibly" deny they were doing so. Now Trump wants them to nullify the election in a way that they would be announcing to the world that they're outright cheating.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
1.) It didn't. In some states (IIRC MI and WI), Trump lost the lead in a couple large dumps because large metropolitan areas, which have a lot of votes and lean heavily dem to begin with, released their counts o f mail in votes (which lean even MORE dem) in one shot.
2.) In other states, like PA and GA, they released series of small counts over a few days as they processed the huge number of mail in ballots.
3.) In AZ, we sorta saw the opposite of #2. AZ slowly processed votes that leaned to Trump after initially processing the heavy Biden ones. So Trump ate into Biden's lead over several days but never had enough.
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And even in the states with big "data dumps", it didn't actually happen that way. i was watching the Oakland County election web site, and precincts trickled in, but they wouldn't be consolidated and reported to the state's web site until various certifications happened by city clerks, or whatever the process was. I don't know the specifics of the process, but the votes didn't just miraculously appear in a "dump". The state count might have had a sudden spike as the Detroit City Clerk gave a nod to pass their data to the state, but there would still be records of those votes coming in precinct by precinct.

(Oakland County is one of the suburban counties north of Detroit. Detroit is in Wayne County, so I was watching cities in Oakland County report votes)
 
The Great Zaganza said:
That's my point: Trump wants the election results to be suspect.

What he doesn't want is a repeat that would probably make him lose even more and rehabilitate the integrity of the elections.

Dems should call for a 2nd vote, including all down-ballot offices: Republicans would literally kill Trump before they let that happen.
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When you n I were boys, "literally" meant "actually, in fact." For me, it still does. Not you? Sometimes, I bet.

But of course we would NEVER even HINT that elements deep inside the Gruesome Old Party might seek a final solution to the tRump Syndrome.
 
sackett said:
When you n I were boys, "literally" meant "actually, in fact." For me, it still does. Not you? Sometimes, I bet.

But of course we would NEVER even HINT that elements deep inside the Gruesome Old Party might seek a final solution to the tRump Syndrome.
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Literally means 'by using literature'. :boxedin:
 
FYI: For all of you keeping track.

Arizona will be certifying the election in about an hour. 11:00 AM Mountain time

Wisconsin will be certifying the election in 4 and half hours at 3:30 PM Central time
( Wisconsin moved certification up one day) The deadline was tomorrow. Why wait till the last minute?
 
sackett said:
When you n I were boys, "literally" meant "actually, in fact." For me, it still does. Not you? Sometimes, I bet.

But of course we would NEVER even HINT that elements deep inside the Gruesome Old Party might seek a final solution to the tRump Syndrome.
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Dr.Sid said:
Literally means 'by using literature'. :boxedin:
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you are of course both correct.

But seriously: if McTurtle thought he could make space for Pence at this point, he would do so.
 
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sackett said:
When you n I were boys, "literally" meant "actually, in fact." For me, it still does. Not you? Sometimes, I bet.

But of course we would NEVER even HINT that elements deep inside the Gruesome Old Party might seek a final solution to the tRump Syndrome.
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Literally means 'by using literature'. :boxedin:
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What, they're going to 'throw the book at him'?


Though, akin to stoning, a punishment of, or death by, having literature thrown at you would bring a new meaning to the term 'booking'.
 
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