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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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Trump speaking at the Whitehouse today blaming Obama for his response to the virus

The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we're doing & we undid that decision a few days ago so that testing can take place in a much more accurate & rapid fashion
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This is in reference to Lab developed tests being under the oversight of the FDA.

Also don't forget Obama created a response command team for pandemics in response to the Ebola outbreak. This was a to develop preventive plans. Trump fired all of them in 2018 and closed it down.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump speaking at the Whitehouse today blaming Obama for his response to the virus

The Obama administration made a decision on testing that turned out to be very detrimental to what we're doing & we undid that decision a few days ago so that testing can take place in a much more accurate & rapid fashion

This is in reference to Lab developed tests being under the oversight of the FDA.

Also don't forget Obama created a response command team for pandemics in response to the Ebola outbreak. This was a to develop preventive plans. Trump fired all of them in 2018 and closed it down.
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Not only is Trump ignoring the mistakes that he made as a president, the republicans are also being massive hypocrites... It was only a few days ago that Pence made a statement about how its "not a time for partisanship". Yet here is is Stubby McBonespurs trying to lay the blame on Obama.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump speaking at the Whitehouse today blaming Obama for his response to the virus



This is in reference to Lab developed tests being under the oversight of the FDA.
Also don't forget Obama created a response command team for pandemics in response to the Ebola outbreak. This was a to develop preventive plans. Trump fired all of them in 2018 and closed it down.
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Trump referred questions about his comments to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield who said that private labs were previously allowed to conduct clinical tests, but noted that “in the previous administration that became regulated. For someone to do that they had to file with the FDA.” The Trump administration, which has been heavily criticized for its unprepared approach to fighting a domestic outbreak, claimed that it lifted the Obama-era regulation by permitting local labs over the weekend to create their own tests.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-blames-obama-for-nationwide-coronavirus-test-kit-shortage

We wouldn't want to have tests that have to be approved by the FDA now, would we? :rolleyes:
 
newyorkguy said:
Yet here is is Stubby McBonespurs trying to lay the blame on Obama.
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Why wouldn't he? His disciples believe everything he says. He never has to take responsibilities for his actions, so why should he, when he lives in a post-fact world and can just make up his own reality?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Also the same "nobody knows x better than me" attitude. Generals? What do they know?
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Hitler should have listened to Rommel. If he had, instead of believing he knew better, D-Day could have had a completely different ending.

It's too bad that Trump was kept out of the military with those darn bone spurs. People are saying he surely would have been promoted in the shortest time ever in military history to become the greatest general of all time. Most people don't know that.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Also the same "nobody knows x better than me" attitude. Generals? What do they know?
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The whole "Instinct and gut feelings are better then experience and knowledge" crap is pretty common (and ,btw, I have seen quite a bit of it on the political left) but for a POTUS to have it that bad is a disaster waiting to happen.
Wait, with the corona virus it might already have.
 
Stacyhs said:
Hitler should have listened to Rommel. If he had, instead of believing he knew better, D-Day could have had a completely different ending.

It's too bad that Trump was kept out of the military with those darn bone spurs. People are saying he surely would have been promoted in the shortest time ever in military history to become the greatest general of all time. Most people don't know that.
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I think if Hitler had listened to some of his generals on the Eastern Front in 1941 and 42 is an even better example.
Speaking of greatest general of all time, you do know about GROFAZ don't you?
 
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dudalb said:
I think if Hitler had listened to some of his generals on the Eastern Front in 1941 and 42 is an even better example.
Speaking of greatest general of all time, you do know about GROFAZ don't you?
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LOL!! So fitting for another man who thinks he knows more than his generals!
 
Donnie is promoting conspiracy theories about how Bernie was cheated by the Democratic Party establishment, in an obvious attempt to embitter the Sanders supporters, and convince them to stay home in November or maybe start a write in campaign for Bernie. (Already being talked about by some of the more exreme Bernie bros). I hope it does not work, but given how some of the Berniebros seem to be just like Trump supporters...
 
Random thought -- (I don't know the filing requirement dates so it may be moot)

Pence runs a successful defense against Covid-19, making Trump super jealous
Trump chooses Haley as VP running mate in a fit of pique
Pence decides to run against Trump for the Republican nomination

It's not as insane as some of the other stuff that's already taken place...
 
dudalb said:
Donnie is promoting conspiracy theories about how Bernie was cheated by the Democratic Party establishment, in an obvious attempt to embitter the Sanders supporters, and convince them to stay home in November or maybe start a write in campaign for Bernie. (Already being talked about by some of the more exreme Bernie bros). I hope it does not work, but given how some of the Berniebros seem to be just like Trump supporters...
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Your hyperbias is showing again, bro. You really hate you some Bernie, don't you?
 
Cabbage said:
Your hyperbias is showing again, bro. You really hate you some Bernie, don't you?
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He may be hyper-biased but is what he posted incorrect?

Is Trump not posting about how Sanders is being cheated again by the DNC?

"The Democratic National Committee, sometimes referred to as the DNC, is again working its magic in its quest to destroy Crazy Bernie Sanders....,” the president began, following those remarks with: “....for the more traditional, but not very bright, Sleepy Joe Biden. Here we go again Bernie, but this time please show a little more anger and indignation when you get screwed!“
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(Politico)

Did the Bernie Bros threaten not to vote for Hillary if Bernie wasn't the nominee in 2016? Or even to vote for Trump?
Axelrod is far from the first to caution Sanders supporters to vote for the nominee, whomever he or she is. It is in response to the “Bernie or Bust” days of yore, when some Sanders supporters in 2016 said they would only vote Democrat if Bernie was the candidate. Indeed, many claimed they would vote for Donald Trump over Hillary, if it came to it. And it seems that a few of them did.
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(https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...socialist-democratic-nomination-a9332761.html)
 
Cabbage said:
What I was specifically taking exception to was the comparison of Bernie supporters with Trump supporters.
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Sorry, but I see some of the same blind devotion,some of the same "Our Leader Is Above Criticism" the same "If you do not agree with us you are stupid or evil" mentality the Trump supporters have applying to some..not all..Berniie Bros.
I have a deep dislike of personality cults, period. And that is what the Bernie movement has become with many people.
 
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alfaniner said:
Random thought -- (I don't know the filing requirement dates so it may be moot)

Pence runs a successful defense against Covid-19, making Trump super jealous
Trump chooses Haley as VP running mate in a fit of pique
Pence decides to run against Trump for the Republican nomination

It's not as insane as some of the other stuff that's already taken place...
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Too much like television to be real. The furthest I can see Pence going is praying to Jesus to give Trump coronavirus. Pence is no Littlefinger. He's not even Hot Pie.
 
dudalb said:
Donnie is promoting conspiracy theories about how Bernie was cheated by the Democratic Party establishment, in an obvious attempt to embitter the Sanders supporters, and convince them to stay home in November or maybe start a write in campaign for Bernie. (Already being talked about by some of the more exreme Bernie bros). I hope it does not work, but given how some of the Berniebros seem to be just like Trump supporters...
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Extremists of any stripe tend to be very much alike.

alfaniner said:
Random thought -- (I don't know the filing requirement dates so it may be moot)

Pence runs a successful defense against Covid-19, making Trump super jealous
Trump chooses Haley as VP running mate in a fit of pique
Pence decides to run against Trump for the Republican nomination

It's not as insane as some of the other stuff that's already taken place...
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Fat chance. He's an anti-science fundie. Who is coming to my area tomorrow.
Haley, meanwhile, is a) female, b) kind of brown, c) an anchor baby, and d) was married in combined Sikh/Christian ceremony. Sikhs wear turbans, which makes the MOOOSLIMS! Not a chance of any REAL AMERICANS voting for her.
 
alfaniner said:
Random thought -- (I don't know the filing requirement dates so it may be moot)

Pence runs a successful defense against Covid-19, making Trump super jealous
Trump chooses Haley as VP running mate in a fit of pique
Pence decides to run against Trump for the Republican nomination

It's not as insane as some of the other stuff that's already taken place...
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He has missed the dates.
President Trump has semi-officially taken over the RNC and will shut down any challenges to the nomination.
The majority of registered Republicans prefer President Trump to VP Pence.
There is no evidence that Pence would ever go against Dear Leader.
I have great faith in the USSS but I don’t think I’d ever want to hold the record for being one of the top three elected officials in terms of written death threats - it is possible that VPOTUS holds the same opinion.
 
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quadraginta said:
It's probably just a result of old age reducing my memory to a shambles, since it's been eighteen years, but ...

Didn't we go to war with Afghanistan eighteen years ago because the Taliban was too untrustworthy to negotiate with?
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No. We did negotiate with them. We went to war because we had demands we considered necessary that they were not willing to accept. They are not trustworthy, but that didn't stop us from negotiating.
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For certain very idiosyncratic definitions of the term "negotiate".

A negotiation which went something like this;

"Bin Laden is a bad guy. Hand him over"

"Show us the evidence and we'll try him here."

*Bomb Afghanistan for eight days*​

"Bin Laden is a bad guy. Hand him over."

"Show us the evidence and we'll hand him over to a neutral third government for trial"

*Invade Afghanistan, occupy it and kill Afghans for eighteen years ... also some bombing.*​

Not that there was much alternative, I guess, since no evidence was ever going to be forthcoming. (Well, some alternatives, like not bombing the hell out of the country and then invading it, but that would take a rather creative mind, and none of those were forthcoming either. Best to stick with the old tried-and-true methods.)

Yeah, that's some straight-up negotiating right there. Not entirely like an Imperial mentality showing how tough it can be against a nearly third world country, but remarkably close.


If we could bomb anywhere we wanted to in Afghanistan why not just stick with taking out Al Qaeda hideouts, and leave the rest alone? Eighteen years of occupation didn't provide any results superior to that approach ...

And now we're back to negotiating with the Taliban, only this time we're the ones who want out.

Eighteen years wasted. At a pretty steep price tag for us and them. How many Afghans died who weren't Al Qaeda?
 
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