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nurse cuffed by cop for not breaking law

ponderingturtle said:
They don't exactly. They are associated with a university that has a police force. And the cops might be technically state cops.
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That's a better explanation... the campus police I mean (I forgot the location is a Uni Med Center).

We have a back and forth (here or another thread?) about the ridiculous US situation of 20,000 plus separate police forces... but that's a topic of its own.
 
Jim_MDP said:
That's a better explanation... the campus police I mean (I forgot the location is a Uni Med Center).

We have a back and forth (here or another thread?) about the ridiculous US situation of 20,000 plus separate police forces... but that's a topic of its own.
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The only hospitals I can think of that I think have their own police force are VA hospitals. And I am not sure about that, though they do have their own fire departments

Apparently they do
 
Bob001 said:
jimbob said:
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Derbyshire Constabulary has 3,000 employees, to give an idea of a smallish force.
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In the U.S. a 2,000-officer force would be among the largest. There are around 18,000 independent U.S. police departments (no one even seems to know the precise number), and some only have a handful of guys.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...es-ramsey/how-many-police-departments-are-us/
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Yes that was my point, I used the US DoJ census which is pretty out of date, but the median force size is just over ten officers:

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=2216

About half (49%) of all agencies employed fewer than 10 full-time officers. Nearly two-thirds (64%) of sworn personnel worked for agencies that employed 100 or more officers.
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The smallest UK force is the Civil Nuclear Constabulary, which is rather specialised (and also probably the heaviest armed, as they have used 30mm cannon in the past)
 
Bob001 said:
How does that work in practice? Do cops transfer freely from one region to another? Or do they identify with and stay in one geographic area? I would suspect policing needs in, say, Glasgow are different from a village in the far north. Are there regional conflicts within the department?

The U.S. has far too many police departments, many small, badly trained and ill-equipped. They should be merged. On the other hand, it's hard to imagine how operations like the NYPD or the LAPD could be function if the top bosses weren't even based in their cities.
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The old forces are each a division and you cannot be moved from one division to another without your agreement. But some divisions are so big that a move within would mean having to move house.

The skill set to be cop in a single man station on an island is very different from walking Glasgow city centre beats. It is not a legal difference, it is a personality difference and I suppose you have to hope the right people apply for and get the right jobs.

The main conflict between divisions is recruitment, far more people want to work in Glasgow than the Outer Hebrides.

I would have thought the USA could have each state with a police force covering that state.
 
zooterkin said:
I'm still trying to get my head around the idea of a hospital having its own police force.
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I worked as a security guard in Boston and depending on what building I was in, I would have MIT, Harvard or Boston Police as the ones to contact. The security company was mostly armed as well and they in effect were the police for the buildings they worked in. I did patrol a hospital for one shift.
 
Bob001 said:
As noted above, the university police are state-certified police officers.
https://dps.utah.edu/police-services/
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My wife is a nurse in a methadone clinic. They employ off-duty cops (in uniform) as security. I don't recall if they carried firearms, but I assume they do. Otherwise they'd be unarmed targets for the addicts who thought robbing a methadone clinic was a god idea.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
It's not the hospital's, it's the university to which the hospital is also attached.

Even as "used to" that concept as I am, I also cannot wrap my head around it.

I even work for one in the mornings. A coworker and I were recently discussing the dubious legality of faculty/staff and permit-required parking spaces along some of the streets. The streets still belong to the city, this was reaffirmed when citations for violating the campus smoking ban on sidewalks were tossed out a few years back. Campus police still regularly issue parking tickets on those very same streets, however.
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I see nothing untoward about a university having their own police with full authority to operate as law enforcement.

Such authority is granted by the municipality where the school is located, just as are that municipality's own police force.

Not infrequently the university population is far too large for the municipal police to be able to capably handle both campus and town , and it makes more sense for the school to bear the cost of supplying its own security.

By way of example, WVU has roughly 30,000 students, which is about the same size as Morgantown's permanent resident population. UNC-CH has a student population of about the same size, and Chapel Hill has around 57,000 permanent residents.

The needs and requirements of policing the two disparate communities are not the same. Why shouldn't a municipality vest police powers in a partner community of such size?
 
quadraginta said:
Mebbe so, but it didn't seem to take the everyone he was working for very long to dump him.

Maybe they were suffering from a temporary surfeit of paramedics and just wanted to share the wealth.
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The other side of the coin is that all the employees are replaceable with any other medic.
 
Well knock me over with a feather. SLCPD detective who arrested nurse had been disciplined for alleged sexual harassment and other violations, records show.

About four years ago, Payne received a written reprimand for allegedly sexually harassing another department employee “over an extended period of time,” internal police records state.

And in 1995, Payne was found to have violated multiple department policies related to a vehicle pursuit that involved the Utah Highway Patrol. He was suspended 80 hours without pay.

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A May 2013 letter to Payne from then-Chief Chris Burbank states another Salt Lake City Police Department employee testified Payne had harassed her for a long time.

“Your harassing behavior was severe and persistent and created a hostile, intimidating work environment for this employee, significantly interfering with her ability to work,” the letter states. Burbank added the behavior was “particularly serious” because Payne made unwanted physical contact and sent a “disparaging email.”
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Stacko said:
Well knock me over with a feather. SLCPD detective who arrested nurse had been disciplined for alleged sexual harassment and other violations, records show.
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“Your harassing behavior was severe and persistent and created a hostile, intimidating work environment for this employee, significantly interfering with her ability to work,” the letter states. Burbank added the behavior was “particularly serious” because Payne made unwanted physical contact and sent a “disparaging email.”
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That speaks as much as anything else to the power of police unions. In almost any private workplace, behavior like that would be grounds for firing. That's certainly not to say that it doesn't happen, but when it gets to the level that senior management investigates and concludes it is "particularly serious," a pink slip would follow.
 
Bob001 said:
That speaks as much as anything else to the power of police unions. In almost any private workplace, behavior like that would be grounds for firing. That's certainly not to say that it doesn't happen, but when it gets to the level that senior management investigates and concludes it is "particularly serious," a pink slip would follow.
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Yup
 
quadraginta said:
Tracy should have been fired, too.

He's the one who gave the orders that Payne followed.
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I dunno. Getting busted from Lt. down to street patrol is a pretty big step. Now he'll have to depend on the guys he used to order around. And if he looks for another job, it will be as a plain cop, not as an executive.
 
quadraginta said:
Tracy should have been fired, too.

He's the one who gave the orders that Payne followed.
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Probably, but it's really hard to see being busted from lieutenant to officer as lenient. All in all, I'd say the department's response is quite acceptable.
 
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