What It's Like To Own Guns...

Ziggurat said:
I've told you twice now that the critical distinction here is between positive and negative rights. Had you bothered to look up those terms, you would have figured out your mistake. You are clearly a slow learner. Let's see if you'll do it after the third time.

I'll even give you a hint this time, to make it easy for you: you're treating the right to bear arms as a positive right, but it's a negative right.
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Seems like a negative right would be a left.

Or a wrong.
 
WildCat said:
Damn that Constitution, protecting the rights of the individual!

Perhaps you should work to enact a Constitution that favors the rights of society over that of the individual, it work so well in such progressive utopias as China and North Korea.
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Because only totalitarian governments ever favor the rights of society over that of the individual?

I'm not sure which countries that would leave out, since that tends to be a normal function of government.

Apparently they must all be totalitarian.
 
WildCat said:
Did you read the post I responded to?
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Yes. I still think there's a more nuanced balance to the conversation available somewhere between a US style constitution guaranteeing all a right to firearms and an undemocratic dictatorship running a command economy.
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
What need is there for a machine gun in the average citizen's home?
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In case there is a whole bunch of burglars.

Or mebbe one burglar running away really fast.

Or the sound of a burglar in the bushes.

Or to lay down covering fire while your wife sneaks around the burglar to flank him and catch him in a crossfire.

I can probably think of lots more, but that's a good start.
 
Information Analyst said:
It would be more pertinent to ask whether New Zealand suffers unduly from home invasions in the first place. The UK certainly doesn't, despite a similarly restrictive firearms regime (pluis the fact that burglars rarely have guns themselves).
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There are enough to worry the average punter. I don't know what the rate is, but I'd be surprised if it weren't more statistically likely here than UK.

A woman was murdered during one yesterday, but she was beaten to death.
 
The Atheist said:
There are enough to worry the average punter. I don't know what the rate is, but I'd be surprised if it weren't more statistically likely here than UK.

A woman was murdered during one yesterday, but she was beaten to death.
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They certainly seem to make the NZ news more than the UK.
 
arthwollipot said:
You're the one who keeps bringing up demographics, not me. If you don't want to be tarred with the same brush, then maybe you should do something about it.
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What does that mean?

What are you suggesting he do?
 
arthwollipot said:
Anything. Just damn well do something and stop blocking those who are trying.
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In what way does deliberately ingnoring both causes and possible solutions count as trying? You aren't trying arth, you're preaching. (And the, better informed, congregation isn't buying it.)
 
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