"Progressives" Win Big In Dem Primaries

I thought "Progressive" was the identity of Liberals who couldn't call themselves "Liberals" because of the pejorative connotation the term has gotten. Has it happened again with this term?

I read his platform and saw nothing radically commie.
 
Upchurch said:
Hold up. You're saying Elizabeth Warren is to the Left what the Tea Party is to the Right?

You don't find that the tiniest bit disingenuous and disproportionate?
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Any Republican to the left of Ted Cruz is a RINO, and even he's suspect. Hell they think a moderate like Obama is a full blown communist. They aren't thinking rationally.
 
Yeah... progressive is to the right of liberal, so... the Republican name calling is getting a bit strange. That's okay. I stopped listening to them years ago.
 
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Brainster said:
Considering that Bill de Blasio (cited in that article) ardently supported the Sandinistas in the 1980s and said:



I'd say that "Progressive" is not too far off pinko commie; it is only a matter of degree. At any rate, I think we can all agree that "Progressives" are more to the left than Democrats in general, perhaps somewhat less left than admitted Socialists.
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That's only because many conservatives are coming over to the democratic party, which is moving the democratic party to the right.
 
thaiboxerken said:
No, social security would be the crowning achievement. also, what evidence do you have that prohibition was a progressive idea?
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http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classro...ities/presentations/timeline/progress/prohib/

Prohibition exhibited many of the characteristics of most progressive reforms. That is, it was concerned with the moral fabric of society; it was supported primarily by the middle classes; and it was aimed at controlling the "interests" (liquor distillers) and their connections with venal and corrupt politicians in city, state, and national governments. Still, it was not until U.S. entry into the Great War that prohibitionists were able to secure enactment of national legislation. In 1918, Congress passed the 18th Amendment to the Constitition, prohibiting the manufacture, transportation, and sale of alcoholic beverages. States ratified the Amendment the next year.
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http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...onepage&q=prohibition progressive era&f=false

Basically, Progressives pulled a GOP and gerrymandered the **** out of Congress and imposed rural values on a growing urban population (which was very much Irish/German), and continued to do so for over a decade. The result: The worst crime wave in US history, utter distrust of the government (seriously, compare The War on Drugs to Prohibition) and other ramifications.
 
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And Democrats are also pro-Jim Crow. Saying two political movements with the same name a hundred years apart are the same is silly.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classro...ities/presentations/timeline/progress/prohib/



http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...onepage&q=prohibition progressive era&f=false

Basically, Progressives pulled a GOP and gerrymandered the **** out of Congress and imposed rural values on a growing urban population (which was very much Irish/German), and continued to do so for over a decade. The result: The worst crime wave in US history, utter distrust of the government (seriously, compare The War on Drugs to Prohibition) and other ramifications.
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Yep... but you're pointing to the conservative part of the progressive movement of that time. How ironic.
 
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Of course, a "progressive" in modern lingo is someone slightly to the right of Eisenhower.
 
The spectrum is as Brainster says....

Commie, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Reactionary, Tea Party, Fascist.
 
The "progressive movement" was actually a range of movements, many of which disagreed with each other. They won support from every part of the political spectrum, depending on the issue. Factors such as religion, region, ethnicity, class, education, sex, etc. etc would affect what reforms, if any, an individual supported. It was a rare individual indeed who opposed every reform proposed between 1890-1920.

Prohibition initially won support from multiple groups, both conservative and liberal. It had majority support in both major parties. Drys on the left tended to see alcohol as a way big businesses could keep workers in poverty and dependent upon their jobs--"The Whiskey or Beer Trust." Conservatives often saw alcohol as a moral issue. Baptists and Methodists, regardless of their politics, saw alcohol as sinful. etc.

Opposition came from all over the political spectrum as well. Liberal "wets" saw prohibition as discriminating against workers, who tended to drink beer, which could not be stored for long periods of time, in contrast to the wealthy, who could store a lifetime of whiskey and bourbon. Samuel Gompers opposed it for that reason. Conservative wets saw prohibition as an over-reaching government regulation on private property. Both left and right saw it as a violation of personal liberty.

You can not lay the blame for prohibition on any one political group. It had support, and opposition, from every part of the political spectrum. It was a progressive reform, but not every progressive reform was liberal. Just because in the early 21st century "progressive" means left-wing does not mean that you can label political causes from 100 years ago using the same definition. Any cause that wins the support of JD Rockefeller AND William Jennings Bryan can not be pigeon-holed into one political ideology.
 
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The "progressive movement" was actually a range of movements, many of which disagreed with each other. They won support from every part of the political spectrum, depending on the issue. Factors such as religion, region, ethnicity, class, education, sex, etc. etc would affect what reforms, if any, an individual supported. It was a rare individual indeed who opposed every reform proposed between 1890-1920.

Prohibition initially won support from multiple groups, both conservative and liberal. It had majority support in both major parties. Drys on the left tended to see alcohol as a way big businesses could keep workers in poverty and dependent upon their jobs--"The Whiskey or Beer Trust." Conservatives often saw alcohol as a moral issue. Baptists and Methodists, regardless of their politics, saw alcohol as sinful. etc.

Opposition came from all over the political spectrum as well. Liberal "wets" saw prohibition as discriminating against workers, who tended to drink beer, which could not be stored for long periods of time, in contrast to the wealthy, who could store a lifetime of whiskey and bourbon. Samuel Gompers opposed it for that reason. Conservative wets saw prohibition as an over-reaching government regulation on private property. Both left and right saw it as a violation of personal liberty.

You can not lay the blame for prohibition on any one political group. It had support, and opposition, from every part of the political spectrum. It was a progressive reform, but not every progressive reform was liberal. Just because in the early 21st century "progressive" means left-wing does not mean that you can label political causes from 100 years ago using the same definition. Any cause that wins the support of JD Rockefeller AND William Jennings Bryan can not be pigeon-holed into one political ideology.
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Jeez, we just got a one-word summation for an entire political spectrum and you have to throw a monkey wrench in the works. :(
 
Myron Proudfoot said:
yep. now craziness such as Obama is a secret Muslim, Agenda-21 is a UN plot to take over the world as is Common Core, the ATF is stockpiling tons and tons of ammo for when they come to take your guns and stick you in a FEMA camp, death panels, and so on is now the moral and political equivalent of "lets teach kids to read, make sure then have healthy food in schools, and golly, it'd be nice if more poor people could see a doctor." :rolleyes:
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:D

Foolmewunz said:
The spectrum is as Brainster says....

Commie, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Moderate, Conservative, Reactionary, Tea Party, Fascist.
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Which side has the real, God-fearin', patriot 'Murricans?
 
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